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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Help & Advice on buying a 997 Turbo/Turbo S Reply with quote

Hi all,
My first post as I am new to the Porsche scene. Having had my Cherished CLS63 AMG-S stolen back in July, I am now considering my next car. Over the past few months I have been looking at everything, but keep coming back to a 997 Turbo or Turbo S. The main thing is it must be a Gen II and have PDK. Color-wise, ideally Meteor Grey, but Black & Silver are also desirable. I have a friend who runs a very successful garage, and who has restored several 911's as well as having an ex Porsche tech working for him, which is another reason i've swayed towards this car. He has given me tips, and will also view any cars with me. However, i thought it would be good to get some opinions, advice etc from you guys on the forum that own this marque. So please feel free to chime in with any pointers, good, bad, indifferent, as my search has already started, but will go up a gear in the new year!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like you're in good hands with your mate to help you buy so I'll just say Welcome to 911uk and 'Happy Hunting'. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
It looks like you're in good hands with your mate to help you buy so I'll just say Welcome to 911uk and 'Happy Hunting'. Thumb


Hi buddy
Thanks for the welcome! Yes I am in good hands, but still would like general feedback from existing 997 Turbo owners.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys
One thing I need to confirm - Does the Turbo S come with PCCB as standard and have the yellow calipers?

Question Question

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the ceramics and therefore yellow calipers are standard, as is PDK, Sport Chrono, RS Spyder wheels, adaptive seats, cornering lights, torque vectoring, plus of course the extra 30bhp and higher boost levels.

Some people like them, can't think why Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ljc19630 wrote:


One thing I need to confirm - Does the Turbo S come with PCCB as standard and have the yellow calipers?



Yes, although some owners switch them to steels.

NB: PCCBs are always yellow and Porsche didn't fit yellow calipers to cars without them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Louie

Just look and drive a turbo or s and buy the one for you. You will not regret it. The boost is addictive. Go out and drive one and you will he hooked. Promise

You can thank me once you have purchased it

Xmas treat to yourself band a pint for me

I only have a 996 and it’s the absolute best car I have owned

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Louie

Just look and drive a turbo or s and buy the one for you. You will not regret it. The boost is addictive. Go out and drive one and you will he hooked. Promise

You can thank me once you have purchased it

Xmas treat to yourself band a pint for me

I only have a 996 and it’s the absolute best car I have owned

GOODLUCK


Thanks FRP
I am looking at a Turbo on Autotrader. Private sale, which doesn't overly concern me, however whats your thought on purchasing privately rather than through a main dealer??

link to car below

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201912045033824?keywords=pdk&body-type=Coupe&transmission=Automatic&minimum-badge-engine-size=3.5&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&make=PORSCHE&model=911&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=997%20Turbo&sort=price-asc&postcode=rh123uy&page=1
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Due diligence applies, full PPI from a local indy or similar THIS IS A MUST IF BUYING and from a garage or private if I am honest?. Condition and history is important, I would not worry about mileage, my 996 has just under 95k miles and sweet

The engines are very strong and do not suffer the bore score

With that said, bills can mount quickly if works are required, think brakes, full service, engine mounts, IE consumables in general

Centre locks are a pain imho but some people love them, has a nice steering wheel upgrade too

its gotta be worth a look and talk to the owner about the PPI and see if they cringe or are more of an open book

With all that said, I bought mine same day cash and no PPI what so ever

Keep us posted
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks FRP (i owned an FRP years ago!!)
Yes, a PPI would be a given, and as I have a good friend that owns a garage and specializes in Porsche restorations (as well as owning several) as well as employing 2 ex Porsche techs, i'll be in good hands. Good point about seeing the reaction of the owner when i mention a PPI!!!

Will keep you posted, and thanks for your help and advice

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ljc19630 wrote:


I am looking at a Turbo on Autotrader. Private sale, which doesn't overly concern me, however whats your thought on purchasing privately rather than through a main dealer??

link to car below

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201912045033824?keywords=pdk&body-type=Coupe&transmission=Automatic&minimum-badge-engine-size=3.5&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&make=PORSCHE&model=911&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=997%20Turbo&sort=price-asc&postcode=rh123uy&page=1


Looks like an honest car (MOT history is excellent) advertised at a sensible private asking price. It's your first choice colour too. thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, TB
Yeah, I thought the same. Interesting replies I have had on PH forum as some saying that they would only by via an OPC, and others saying the private purchase isn't an issue providing a PPI is done. Well, I bought an RS4, R35 GTR (first one I looked at) privately and didn't even drive it!!! I also bought my last car CLS63 AMG-S, albeit from a dealer, but again placed a deposit on it over the phone, then drove 350 miles to Barrow to do the deal. only 3 months warranty on that. Both cars never missed a beat, and trust me the GTR was driven all over Europe and HAMMERED!!!! The RS4 was a great car, and again didnt have any major issues and driove perfectly
So I guess its personal choice as to whether your risk-averse and feel the desire to pay out more by purchasing via OPC, or less worried and purchase privately??

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TB, FRP
What's your honest thought on the mileage of this car? I'd value your opinions. I know its a totally different car, but earlier this year I picked up a very clean, only 2 previous owners 2008 Mk5 Golf GTi, as a daily driver. 3door, DSG, Black.
It had done 128k, but had FVWSH, and really been looked after. Drives like a new car, and although many folks wouldn't entertain a very high mileage car, the history, maintenance, and condition of the car lead me to buy it, which i don't regret at all.

I have had a few text chats with my pal, but he seems to think the mileage is high, it is 8k overpriced and is citing that once the car reached 100k the arse will fall out of it from a price point perspective. He's gauging the price as book price and saying that cars are cheap ATM, and it wouldn't give me much hassle-free motoring for the next few years. I think he is souly looking at it from a business investment perspective, which i get and have asked him to call me when he is free - Comments from you will be valued Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't look over-priced to me and at 65k it's nowhere near 100k Dont know

How many miles are you going to do in it? Will the current mileage taper to 'average' if you keep it several years? Or are you going to sell on in a few years at 70k+ miles, in which case buyers will be asking the same question Rolling Eyes

We get hung up on mileage in the UK and yes it is a factor but so too is condition. I know of a 997.1 turbo used as a daily with over 130k+ miles with no major issues, PCCB less than 50% worn! They still need maintenance and if you have 'mates rates' at your Indy no reason you'll do your dough.

Everyone wants a sub 50k miler for 100k+ miles price Grin Chances are the buyer might take a knock if lots of people are put off by the odometer.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're almost in 991 Turbo money......worth a look in my book
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's your honest thought on the mileage of this car? I'd value your opinions ..........

I have had a few text chats with my pal, but he seems to think the mileage is high, it is 8k overpriced and is citing that once the car reached 100k the arse will fall out of it from a price point perspective. He's gauging the price as book price and saying that cars are cheap ATM, and it wouldn't give me much hassle-free motoring for the next few years. I think he is souly looking at it from a business investment perspective, which i get and have asked him to call me when he is free - Comments from you will be valued Thumb

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Your mate is probably correct about the 'trade' value he is telling you. Has he mentioned the 'retail' value. Question

There's a big spread between 'trade' and 'retail' and a private price should be somewhere between the two. Whereabouts between the two should be the basis of the negotiation and will end up where both parties are happy.

The private market for these cars is tricky because most people want, and are prepared to pay a premium for, the perceived safety of buying from a dealer. A lot of respondees to private adverts are traders knowing this and are looking to buy better than auction stock at trade money which is why most sellers go the part-ex route.

For some reason in the UK it seems that higher mileage on turbos is a bigger turn-off for buyers than on an equivalent aged Carrera which is a nonsense given the proven comparative reliability of the two models. I'm guessing it's down to the fact that the £££s required to buy a similar aged turbo is higher and that for the same money a lot of people would prefer to buy a newer, lower mileage car.

There's lots of sub 60k mile 997 turbos around but asking prices are significantly more than 60k+ cars and many have been standing for some time. I'd rather go for a slightly higher mileage car that's been used regularly, especially if it's also a fair bit cheaper to buy.

It's a fact that, in the UK, any cars desirability plummets when it hits 100k miles and market values reflect that.

As I said before the car you linked to seems like a good, honest privately owned car. It's advertised at a price a bit more than the seller would get from a dealer but a lot less than it would retail for. You could pay less for a car at an auction or more from a dealer. Similarly you could get a lower mileage car but pay more for the privilege.

The choice is yours. Good Luck. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm selling mine after 10.5 years of ownership, still need to get around to placing an ad' on here though! Low mileage (45K), manual and with PCCBs (new pads all round).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're almost in 991 Turbo money.....



Confused Not at £55k

The only 991Ts I've seen advertised at under £70k have been very high miles.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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You're almost in 991 Turbo money.....



Confused Not at £55k

The only 991Ts I've seen advertised at under £70k have been very high miles.

I don't know what 997 Turbo I was looking at, but it was £65k, hence my comment. It's quite a big leap from 55 indeed.
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