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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do find the mileage / price equation for 993's a bit strange.
Example: a C2 manual coupe with 75,000 miles [average 3,000 per year] = asking price of around £55k to perhaps £60k.
Same car with 100,000 [4,000 per year] miles = close to £40k. Perhaps £45k.
And yet, they're the same age, with therefore the same issues about rust, suspension bushes, paintwork and so on. And an engine that most feel can reach much higher mileages with no problems.

How can the car which has done only 1000 miles per year less over its life be worth a £15k plus premium?
Note we're not talking here about ultra low miles cars, they exist in a separate market I'd have thought.
Everyone says "buy on condition not miles" so why don't prices reflect this advice?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because we are mileage snobs in the UK.

No other reason for it.

My last family car i ran though to close on 225,000 miles and had to almost give it away.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buttertubs wrote:
because we are mileage snobs in the UK.

No other reason for it.



You are correct Tubs Thumb And for that reason I reckon a lot of people with the folding who actually want a 993 to drive immediately dismissed what appeared to be a very very good car.

Hopefully the new owner will pop up on here. One week later and that could well have been me Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
One week later and that could well have been me Rolling Eyes


I hope we wouldn't be calling you George Eaton the 2nd if it had been a week later Floor

 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guilty of this..... Just to make it difficult for myself tho i also only buy on condition and Low miles.
As we all know some low miles cars may have been ragged on short trips daily, others used sparingly on weekends and some used "Normally" if such useage exists.

There seems to be a bracketing criteria for Age, miles, more than service history and spec, I looked at some 911's this year with low miles only to find they have partial history, one in particular hadn't been serviced for 4 years.... Another one my mate looked at hadn't been MOT'd in 2 years. That was about 6 years since it was last serviced.

This 993 at the price was almost a bargain, not surprised it'd been bought, hope it gets some TLC and some use !
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buttertubs wrote:
because we are mileage snobs in the UK.

No other reason for it.

My last family car i ran though to close on 225,000 miles and had to almost give it away.


Yeah I suppose that must be the reason. I just find it odd with 993's. Even the youngest of them is 21 years old now. Ignoring the ultra low mileage cars, why should the mileage snob care whether the car has done 75, 95 or 115k miles given the age of all these cars?

Is it the good old 100k barrier do we think?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

100k on a 3.6 engine is nothing, its almost run in!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

When I took my 185k 993 motor apart (did not split the case) to replace a broken piston ring, it was so clean inside it was shocking. The only things that actually needed doing and were out of spec were the exhaust guides. The car spent much of its life on motorways before I bought it though, so that must have helped.

Of course that wasn't all I did, but you get the idea. Engine has pretty much only ever used Magnatec 10/40 as far as I can tell. Its certainly all I will use.

In fact during the rebuild I caused an annoying oil leak that I absolutely cannot find the source of. So I will drop it out again this summer maybe. If I do that then I will split the case and refresh the bottom end while I am there probably.

Berni
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Berni

It's good to hear about your experiences. My understanding is that worn valve guides are just about the only real weakness with the 993 engine. Slipping cam timing on later '95+ and non functional vram issues are quite easy fixes.
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