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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac, do you have a part number for the plug or a page link from new.rosepassion please.

I’ve been onto Porsche and they can’t find it listed as an available part.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the number from the gt3 diagram so it may or may not be the same as yours! I didn’t do much searching so you if you have a go you might be able to find a reference linking it to the na box, it does look the same though!

No is 99630351900
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, yes that’s the one!

Special order item from Germany but it should be here for Thursday, tool ordered too so fingers crossed!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a major pain! The old special order... I know those words from Porsche better than I ever hoped I would!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not surprised they don’t keep one in stock, neither of the parts guys or the technician they asked had ever heard of it. I suppose no one has been daft enough to take one out before!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How many times have you kicked yourself over the weekend for not watching that you tube clip..........
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have read this thread and really felt for you Grey 996. Trying to do some sensible maintenance and ended up in a mess (we have all been there).

My other thought was that this thread is a credit to 911UK - its why I come on here. People helping people. Well done to all!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto
"My other thought was that this thread is a credit to 911UK - its why I come on here. People helping people. Well done to all!"
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a play with my shifter, I managed to undo the plug with some heat on the casing and some decent mole grips but unfortunately when I wound the plug out the shifter arm dropped to the left of the bearing and the spring fell out, I think it moved due to the spring pressure.

There may be a slightly better result with yours as the gearbox is still together and the main shifter in the gear housing is sitting almost against this shifter and might have held it in position, plus the shifter rods are still in place so there is not a lot of room for things to move too far. My next thought though was because it was driven I can't see it being sat close to where it should be any longer nooo

I'll upload pictures later to help explain.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kingb4 wrote:
Have read this thread and really felt for you Grey 996. Trying to do some sensible maintenance and ended up in a mess (we have all been there).

My other thought was that this thread is a credit to 911UK - its why I come on here. People helping people. Well done to all!


Absolutely, the help has been amazing, such a great forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:
I'm having a play with my shifter, I managed to undo the plug with some heat on the casing and some decent mole grips but unfortunately when I wound the plug out the shifter arm dropped to the left of the bearing and the spring fell out, I think it moved due to the spring pressure.

There may be a slightly better result with yours as the gearbox is still together and the main shifter in the gear housing is sitting almost against this shifter and might have held it in position, plus the shifter rods are still in place so there is not a lot of room for things to move too far. My next thought though was because it was driven I can't see it being sat close to where it should be any longer nooo

I'll upload pictures later to help explain.


Thanks infra,

I don’t think i’ll be able to remove the plug anyway with it being on top of the box as access is so tight. Also I don’t want to risk anything else dropping or falling out of place. Looking at your video again, the lever seems to pivot on the gear selector so I think the spring action will help to keep things in place.

I’m hoping that by turning the heat selector I can position the arm so I can get the pin back in.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand this will not be as easy for you in the tight confines of the selector area but you could do with looking into the hole at least to access where you are at?

Removed plug with heat and mole grips.



As soon as the plug came out and let the selector arm get loose this is how it all ended up, the gearbox was on the bench and I didn't move at all, just the pressure from the spring pushing the selector arm away and to the left of the bearing.



Disassembled parts on the work bench.



I reassembled the arm and spring without the plug/pin in place and it sat there fine but the arm pivot is out of line.



There is nothing else in the plug hole.




Yellow marks are where the selector rods all sit.

Orange area is a metal plate the helps align the selector rods.

Red is where the gear housing selector sits when the two halves of the gearbox are assembled.



From all the above I think the selector arm is still in that area but I do think the spring may have made its way to the bottom of that area close to the bottom yellow mark, especially as it was driven and all the selectors would have moved.

If this is the case I think the box will need removing and the cases split, it will only be labour charges for this unless you can do it yourself or at least remove the box to save on that cost?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, removing the plug and looking down the hole will be fine, I was talking about the cap that retains the spring though from what you’ve posted in the pic I really need to see where the spring is!

The tool will be at the OPC on Wednesday so i’ll get it back on the lift tomorrow night to see what I can get at!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won`t be able to get that spring retaining cap out without removing the gearbox, the page from the manual is below.
You need to have a look down the plug/pin hole to see if the selector arm is anywhere near alignment with the rear pivot hole in the casting.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, if that is a circlip this may be a huge help but you would still need to drop the box to get at it properly I would guess or have very flexible hands and eyes.

Just looking back at my picture, I scraped this with a screwdriver but thought it was just crud left, looking again and closer I think it is actually a circlip as mentioned above.



If you can remove this obviously the spring will be missing but you could go fishing with a length of wire with a magnet on the end. You could line the lever arm up without the spring and its plug in place then re-fit the spring once the pivot plug is back in.

I'll have a go at this tomorrow, drop the spring as far as I can and try to fish it out, having this hole open and using the plug hole you may be able to line it back up.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is why I want grey996 to have a look down the pivot pin hole and if possible check to see if there is still spring tension on the selector arm inside, if the hole on the selector arm and the hole in the casting inside are any where near in line ( ie you can see part of both of them ), then I have a cunning plan Grin

There is space behind the end of the plug/pin when it is in place in the gearbox, you could probably extend the pin by about 5mm and grind a nice long, almost pointed end on the extended pin and use that to realign the selector arm and rear pivot point as you screw in the pin Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurlykris wrote:
There is space behind the end of the plug/pin when it is in place in the gearbox, you could probably extend the pin by about 5mm and grind a nice long, almost pointed end on the extended pin and use that to realign the selector arm and rear pivot point as you screw in the pin Thumb


Great minds, this is something I also thought about a couple of days ago, I was going to suggest welding on the end and grinding to a point.

But from what I saw today I can't see either part being close to where they need to be and you would never line the hole up with the spring in place, it does have quite a bit of pressure behind it and the reason as soon as I released the plug it pushed the pivot arm sideways. With the spring cap removed this will all be a lot easier but it does mean potentially dropping the box.

I may also be temped to leave the spring in the gearbox if it's gone walk about, I can only see it falling to the bottom and then the large magnet will pick it up, it could already be on the magnet so would definitely be worth dropping the oil to check. You'd just need to spec a spring of the same type to put in its place if it can't be found? I have the size if need be?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, it all depends if the spring is still in place in this particular case (your gearbox is apart, so may make a difference to how things are moving about), if it is then there is a chance that the situation can be recovered without removing the gearbox Thumb

My thoughts, if the spring is still in place, then drill and tap the end of the pivot pin and loctite in a hex head bolt, say M5 or M6 into the end of the pin, then grind or file it down to a nice long pointed lead, blob some grease on it and then wind it in, while paying attention to how much pressure needed to turn it.

We need a photo of down the Plug/pin hole now Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car’s back on the lift, the plug was actually very tight and I didn’t want to start hitting it with a hammer in case I disturbed things even more. The tool should be here tomorrow so I’m not going to rush things.

While I was under there though I was reminded that the IMS or hopefully RMS area is weeping and now the manifold looks to be leaking so I think i’ll just set the car on fire or drive it into a lake and have done with it!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it looks like the dreams over!

First pic is with the plug removed, you can see the end of the fork, it’s easy to move so the spring must have sprung!

I can align the fork by moving the selector arm and get the plug back in, the gears do function so that’s something at least but it’ll need sorting.

Does anyone have a good how to to split the box?
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