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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Because Racecar Reply with quote

Warning - this is not a project thread in the traditional sense, and may come to nothing.

Context - I'm thinking of building a track car for next summer, so I'm looking at a base to build upon.

I think the car I want as a base is an aerokit C4, as it's the stiffest shell and I think the aerokit looks appropriate for a track focused vehicle.

This one isn't stock, but it's under 10 miles away so I went to look at it today:





https://www.mr911.co.uk/cars/porsche/911mk996/gt3aerokit/295266/

Looks great in the photographs, and it's been beaten hard with the options stick - full carbon fibre pack for example.



But it's also been owned by someone with a great deal of enthusiasm, but I suspect slightly less focus on the details.

If I were to be buying this as a road car there's probably 10k -15k of work to be done before tackling the wheels and brakes.

These won't (I suspect) fit under 18's:



And the rear wheels are poking out past the guards, so I'd want to go back to 18's

If I bought this car, would anyone be interested in the full interior? The hard-back seats have been recently recovered and the centre tunnel cubby lid was done at the same time.

I'd also be moving on the wheels, and potentially the front (8 piston) brakes.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's NICE!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, it's a case of the closer you get to it the more things jump out at you.

I think it's potentially a good car if it can be got for the right price, but £12,950 is probably 3k too high.

I'd make the chap an offer but I suspect what I'd want to pay and what he wants to get are too far apart.

I'm also a little intimidated by the number and variety of electrical tape splices in the wiring that a brief poke around unearthed.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K&N filter, and it has a sports exhaust:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This photo sums up the car, I think:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSM, ABS and rear spoiler lights are all illuminated, and due to the first two neither the digital nor the analogue speedo work.

It's had a slow speed front impact that the bumper took care of, but it's crazed the paint in a classic, radial bulls-eye, and the paint in general is somewhat to very tired - the colour does a great job of disguising that.

Rear bumper is a turbo one, so best case it was because of looks, worst case it was a rear impact of some kind. The exhaust tips are ~3" from parallel, which is likely a 2 minute adjustment. Manifolds and cats are stock.

I think this space saver is possibly smaller in diameter than the brake discs on the front.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chap who is selling it is a very nice fellow, I think that'd be a big plus if I wasn't intending on stripping the car to bare metal and pulling the roof off and shoving this in:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Among the obvious questions I would include why are there some splices in the wiring. As long as its for a reason and they are good solders (if its soldered) they can be cleaned up with fresh tape.

I'd be tempted to keep the brakes and see if an 18 will go over, a bigger space saver could be sought without a problem.

Looks like a good base but are you going C4 into C2 or are you tracking in 4wd?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd 2WD it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brakes look like k sport or d2’s. I had the 8 pots on the front of my Imprezza with 330mm discs under the 17” wheels so I’d guess if they’re below 355mm you’d probably be ok as the calipers are quite small for their size. First class braking though with decent pads.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good spot, I think they are these:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite the same but very close, anyway. The seller says that the brakes were ordered in from Japan.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the codes, for those interested:

C16 UK car
030 Sports suspension -10mm (now Eurocup coilovers)
XAA Aerokit
XJ4 Leather covered ignition key surround
XKD Carbon side air vents
XKJ Carbon defroster trim
XKP Carbon speaker covers
XMJ Carbon centre console
XNR Carbon centre air vent bracket
XNX Carbon dashboard trim strip
XPD Carbon 3 spoke steering wheel (this isn’t present anymore)
XPY Carbon instrument surround
XRL 18” Sport Design wheels (now 19” wheels, unknown type)
XTL Carbon door panel parts
X47 Carbon gear lever
X54 Stainless tail pipes
X58 Carbon handbrake lever
X69 Carbon door entry guards with logo
X71 All-look instrument faces
236 Internal code regarding tyres
288 Headlamp washers
375 2 way electric seat, left
376 2 way electric seat, right
446 Wheel caps with coloured Porsche crest
490 Basic sound system (now a double-din Pioneer)
650 Sunroof
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About £10k of Carbon options
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the first owner really went to town.

It needs a bit of attention - the glue that holds the CF to the underlying plastic is failing in some places so the parts could do with removing, cleaning, bonding, and clamping.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dammit wrote:
Good spot, I think they are these:



I’ve seen a lot of others for sale that look to be the same but different branding. They generally aren’t the highest quality but I thought they were awesome. I bought them off a rally car so got a bargain with brand new ferrodo ds2500 pads. I gave £450 for the set up, sold my own subaru 4 pots for £170. The spent about £15k on that car and those brakes were the best thing on it. I’ve considered them for my own c2 but there’s a long list of other bits to sort first
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell the cab and buy a GT3. One car to do it all.
You’re a glutton for punishment to do two projects with the same cars.

But I know you like the cab hence the whole making a GT3-ish cab.
In which case carry on and finish the cab and do the odd track day in that.
If the trackday bug bites then get a GT3 or a dedicated track car like an Atom or Caterfield.

Like I say (and much as I’m a big 911 fan) two cars the same is a bit pointless, regardless of one being a cab and one a coupe.

Just my 2p worth though and I know you love a project. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea what suspension it is sitting on?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mark, I can't disagree with any of that, I'd put forward some points to try to explain my thinking though.

The cab is a road car, I realised that I had become a bit confused as to what I was doing with it though - harness bar and so on. It's always easier to build a vehicle to do one thing well, and I was going to end up building something that tried to do two things well - a much harder bar to clear.

For example, I want to remove the rear seats and turn that area into a luggage compartment, but then maybe cover the top of the compartment with a harness bar so I couldn't drop luggage in. Didn't make sense.

Also the cab is always going to be heavy, or heavier than a coupe - especially one that's had the entire interior removed (although the cage will add some back).

I'd not want to make the cab's suspension as stiff as that of a track car either, nor drop it as low.

Also I had to get my front bumper and wing mirrors repainted after one particularly gravel-strewn track day at Brands in the cab, something I'd not bother with in a track car.

Enter the coupe idea - the chance to make something that would likely be truly awful as a road car (remember the Top Gear with May in an Aston racecar?), but that could be unmercifully beaten around Brands.

The other thing I'd like to do is to keep the engine stock in the coupe, but add the oiling modifications that we're working on and then (literally) try to break things whilst running very sticky rubber. The (published) reason for the GT3 is that the M96 wouldn't cope with >1G cornering loads due to the wet sump. So lets remove the wet sump and see what happens on track.

Finally, I love projects - and this one is an extension of the other, really. An opportunity to take what the cab is going to have and turn it up to 11, in a way that would fatally compromise a road car but in this context would make sense.

Of course, as I said in the first post - this may never happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toml wrote:
Any idea what suspension it is sitting on?


Eurocup. Ride, on my short journey, was very good.
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