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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:48 am    Post subject: Falken Azenis FK510 Tyres ? Reply with quote

Anyone using these on the rear?
Feedback please, I usually use Conti SC2 but can’t get them at a good price anymore, I’m interested in:

Handling - road car only, daily driver, mixture of backroads and motorway commute.
Mileage before replacement - I get 14-15k out of the Conti’s so if they last much less than that it will be a false economy buying cheaper.
Much better than the Falken FK453? (older model but seems more expensive).

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick to the road like glue. The 453 returned about 12k miles driving like a nutter on all manor of roads all year round. The 510s I have on at the moment are part worn so I don't know how long is left but I've done as yet around 6k miles and they look about half way.

I'll be putting 510s on again when they need changing. They also have very good rim protectors so less chance or kurbing an alloy.

They get a thumbsup from me!!!!

FYI: 295/30 18


Edit: the 510 aren't any worse than the 453 and if anything seem better handling but that could be placebo effecto!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just what I wanted to hear Alex, 295/30R18 for me as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had Contis on when I bought the car and IMHO these are better handling. Although I have had work done on the suspension since but that was only in the past 12 months.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

run these on my Maserati Granturismo, quality bit of Rubber
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how's the sidewall stiffness on those?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you tell?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went round the ring on them in the GT and there was no noticeable flex, it was a very spirited set of laps, they got a bit of a squeal on a couple of the corners but given that it weighs nearly 2 ton it's not unexpected. all in all a good tyre in my mind and in the UK I think better than the p-zero (given they need to be warm to work). I had them on the car and they felt very sketchy.

FK510 have a good rim protector on them too
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
How can you tell?


You should drive my car on Uniroyal rs3's and you'll immediately know what a soft one feels like Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre leader gives an XL rating for these tyres :
Extra load, reinforced tyre with higher weight rating.

Also MFS - Max Flange Shield, Alex above mentioned that he appreciates a bit of extra flange!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

worship Grin

Too much is never enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the reasons I became an engineer, so I could say words like 'Gusset' and 'flange' in sentences........all whilst chuckling to myself lol
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put four of them on my M3 and they were great.

Much better than the pair of Landsail that someone had put of the front before I bought it Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using them and they are fine the only thing to note is not to mix them with other brands as I put them on he back with contis on the front and it kept tripping he traction control

I have them all round now and I'm happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Falken Azenis FK510 Reply with quote

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That’s interesting as I have Fairly new Conti’s on the front too, luckily it’s a basic spec C2 with no TC, that’s what the tyres are for!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could also trigger your abs

It's caused by a difference in rolling radius and it's only a mm or so different between brands that cause the issue
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but new tyres have about approx. 8mm tread and are worn out by 2mm depth so that’s a 6mm possible difference even between the same brand tyre front to rear? I appreciate your point Winny but the margin must be a bit wider surely.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be a multiple amount of things other than rolling radius that the different tyres create an error. Remember crossplys and radials.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is my car was fine on contis all round then I put falkens on the back and all the problems started so I ran without the traction control for a bit but the abs still cut in to early
Eventually I bit the bullet and bought new falkens on the front and the car works perfectly again

This is a common problem documented on the internet and it happens if your front tyres have significantly less tread on them than the rears. Essentially you need more tread on the front than the rear to avoid problems

I never had this problem when using the same brand front to rear on this car only when I mixed brands and it went away when I went back to all matching same brand

Falkens are great so are contis just they don't like to be mixed.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Winny for a bit more info, you’ve now got me thinking as I’m about to follow your Conti/Falken path. New Conti fronts were fitted 6,000m ago but they last ages on my C2 (probably a 4:1 ratio wear rate F/R) so they’re not very worn yet and I wouldn’t want to replace them especially as that would make changing to Falken on the rear a false economy.

Even if there was an issue with the ABS (no TC on mine) hopefully with a bit of rear wear within a few thousand miles any issue would correct itself.
Thinking back mine also had a an early ABS cut in issue with the old worn Conti’s on the front and new Conti’s on the rear when I got it but that went away when I replaced with new fronts.


I’m going to eek out the last few Conti miles in November then buy Falkens if the Conti’s don’t drop in price.
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