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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:03 pm    Post subject: Garage Queens Reply with quote

Out of curiosity...

How often do lower mileage owners on here drive their cars throughout the year to prevent oil seals etc. hardening and thereby leaking?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some food for thought and no doubt discussion. I purchased a 2005 987 Boxster S some 10 months ago with a genuine 2800 miles from new , from the MOT history it looks like its annual outing was a trip to the MOT centre !! I have since re-commissioned it changed all oils, filters, plugs belts etc.
Mileage is now 4300 being used around twice a month whilst I have owned it. As to oil seals there were no leaks present on purchase and none present when I had it up on the ramps a few few days ago ready to put it to sleep for the winter. So IMHO if you don't want to use it much put it on a CTEK and look forward to Spring ! Tho I'm sure there will be those who don't agree !!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve got an 18 year old BMW that’s only covered 3000 miles in the last 16 years, I’ve done a thousand of those this year since I got it. For the last 10 years like Eagles it only went to the mot place and around the block a couple of times,the mileage each year has been between 30-100 miles and it didn’t move for over 2 years at one point

All I’ve done is change the oil and used it for a year, according to internet folk law my car should be riddled with niggly faults due to the lack of use yet it’s had none what so ever, the only fault it’s got is the rear of the brake discs are corroded. That was first an advisory in 2006 but it still passed this time

I’ve had the same experience with a motorbike that’s also been faultless

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the comment that corrosion on the back of the discs was first noted in 2006 and they still pass the MOT. This is often an issue with Porsches which are used regularly.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Garage Queens Reply with quote

LSDFJ00 wrote:
Out of curiosity...

How often do lower mileage owners on here drive their cars throughout the year to prevent oil seals etc. hardening and thereby leaking?


Mine does a few hundred miles pa.......I never worry about oil seals Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an internal competition amongst Illuminati members who can do the least miles per annum.

One 'member' has his car trailered to the garage for annual service/MOT Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
There's an internal competition amongst Illuminati members who can do the least miles per annum.

One 'member' has his car trailered to the garage for annual service/MOT Rolling Eyes


In that case I might drive in reverse to the centre for the next MOT
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eagle wrote:
Zingari wrote:
There's an internal competition amongst Illuminati members who can do the least miles per annum.

One 'member' has his car trailered to the garage for annual service/MOT Rolling Eyes


In that case I might drive in reverse to the centre for the next MOT
Floor


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Ha ha, and judging by your fleet, you could perhaps commission the MOT test centre for home visits as and when required! Laughing Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grin

Good thread. Thumb

The only people who get the hump about low mileage cars, are people with high mileage ones, or people who don’t want to pay for low mileage ones.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not bothered either way, but given 2 similar cars within my price range, one with high miles and one with low miles, I’ll focus on buying the low mileage one unless it has a major flaw with something.

My daily Volvo V70 is 21 years old and has covered 202,000 miles. I love the old bus.
My 996 GT3 has covered 47,000 miles an I’m loving that car. I’d have happily bought it with 80k on but luckily it had half that.

My summer cars stand all winter. I’ve never had a problem with oil leaks that didn’t already exist when I bought it.

You read some hilarious comments from the naysayers. One guy on here always goes on about condensation creeping through your inlet and rotting your cylinders. Floor
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norfolk & Idea wrote:
eagle wrote:
Zingari wrote:
There's an internal competition amongst Illuminati members who can do the least miles per annum.

One 'member' has his car trailered to the garage for annual service/MOT Rolling Eyes


In that case I might drive in reverse to the centre for the next MOT
Floor


Floor Floor

Ha ha, and judging by your fleet, you could perhaps commission the MOT test centre for home visits as and when required! Laughing Thumb



Fleet ! Apart from the current 987 they are past girlfriends Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no doubt that if something that’s designed to move does not move for a long period you may experience problems later getting it to move properly.
Handbrake left on is an example.
My view and what I do even in winter is a 30 min ish drive every month.
Mind you I can do this without bursting into tears about how much I have just taken off the value having a 100k+ worthless machine:-)
First time in a while I have heard an adult describe people with a different point of view as ‘just jealous’ Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And mine happily sits in the garage for 9 months without moving and then........moves Grin..........I have the tires slightly over inflated and disconnect the battery when not in use, job done without any problems in 7 years Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eagle wrote:
Norfolk & Idea wrote:
eagle wrote:
Zingari wrote:
There's an internal competition amongst Illuminati members who can do the least miles per annum.

One 'member' has his car trailered to the garage for annual service/MOT Rolling Eyes


In that case I might drive in reverse to the centre for the next MOT
Floor


Floor Floor

Ha ha, and judging by your fleet, you could perhaps commission the MOT test centre for home visits as and when required! Laughing Thumb



Fleet ! Apart from the current 987 they are past girlfriends Laughing


Well you've had some very tasty girlfriends thumbsup
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the original question I think the relevant fact is the 993 is one of the very rare breed of iconic classic cars that you can leave standing between MOTs without worrying about them Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhrfc wrote:

First time in a while I have heard an adult describe people with a different point of view as ‘just jealous’ Grin



I haven’t seen anyone call anyone jealous. Dont know
If you’re referring to my comments then yes the main people who whinge about low miles are the people with high miles. Generally true. Jealousy? Who knows, but I didn’t suggest that.

Oh and no one leaves their handbrake on when parking up for a while. Wink
As Jon says, over inflate the tyres a bit, battery disconnected or on a conditioner and all will be well.
I never start mine unless I’m going for a drive (or moving it to work on it) so it may stand from October until March. No issues whatsoever.

Just look at those ancient barn finds. They turn them over by hand maybe, then add petrol, fit a fresh battery and away they go. They always sell too so it proves there are as many people who aren’t hysterical, as are. Grin

Some people seem to think that all folk who use their cars sparingly do so on purpose. Not true. I use my car every single time I feel like it, or have time to. It just so happens that this is only on fine days off during summer, hence my car covers low miles. I use it as much as I want to though, so I don’t feel I’m missing out.
I’m never going to use it for my 15 mile dual carriageway, straight line snooze fest to work and back. Utterly pointless, unless I was a poser and cared about what people see me in. My £700 Volvo estate does me just fine. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Garage Queens Reply with quote

LSDFJ00 wrote:
How often do lower mileage owners on here drive their cars throughout the year to prevent oil seals etc. hardening and thereby leaking?


I would have thought that "seal hardening" is a function of time, not lack of use.

It is my understanding that any leakage from little used seal is more likely due to a build up of surface rust on the seal / shaft mating surface which then compromises the integrity of the seal lip.

As with all these things maybe the theory in not always reflected in the real world.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comments so far...

I have been told by those supposedly in the know, various Porsche specialists , that little or infrequent use does not allow rubber seals etc to warm up sufficiently and therefore their integrity is reduced allowing things like power steering fluid to enter the steering rack itself, had this happen twice now, despite rack refurb about 3 years go.
Also had a bit of oil weeping past the chain cover fasteners and down onto the heat exchangers. Since giving car a bit more use this last year these small problems seem to have eased up somewhat, lending a bit of credibility to the advice I often get...use it more!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine did about 3 miles in 2 1/2 years.........

I then took it to London and back to Cornwall via Beaulieu and it didn't miss a beat amazing old bus

The only MOT advisory were the discs a bit rusty at the back........it is dry stored tho

The main problem I now have is mice........ they've now chewed on of the rear seat pads....... thank god that's all not sure how they're get getting inside
 



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