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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:41 am    Post subject: Nick being hounded at the Ring Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Chasing a modified 996 GT3 RS" Grin

Would be interested to know what tyres were fitted on both cars, I mean a Clio on slicks would probably worry most things... (before tipping over) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was road tyres for sure, too long ago to remember which ones. I doubt the Alfa was on anything trick either as there's plenty of tyre noise in the corners...

In my defence, I had been out following our friend in the Alfa previously so I knew the sort of pace it had, but on this occasion I had a passenger in the car who had warned me before we set off that:

a) it was his first lap of the ring
b) he wasn't entirely sure if he'd make it round without being sick

Therefore I wasn't really pushing that hard as I know how hard removing the smell of vomit from a car can be
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All that said, the Alfa is a quick little car & it demonstrates how much light weight can level the playing field over a heavier car with more power.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my defence, I had been out following our friend in the Alfa previously so I knew the sort of pace it had, but on this occasion I had a passenger in the car who had warned me before we set off that:

a) it was his first lap of the ring
b) he wasn't entirely sure if he'd make it round without being sick

Therefore I wasn't really pushing that hard as I know how hard removing the smell of vomit from a car can be
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Watching the video (didn't watch it all), it struck me straight away that the Porsche driver clearly wasn't trying, where as the Alfa was giving it everything he has, so not surprised to see your comments at all.

You clearly could have had the legs on him as you did on some of the more open sections, but fair play to him, he knew exactly when to hang the gears out for a corner for what I could see.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NXI20 wrote:
In my defence, I had been out following our friend in the Alfa previously so I knew the sort of pace it had, but on this occasion I had a passenger in the car who had warned me before we set off that:

a) it was his first lap of the ring
b) he wasn't entirely sure if he'd make it round without being sick

Therefore I wasn't really pushing that hard as I know how hard removing the smell of vomit from a car can be
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Watching the video (didn't watch it all), it struck me straight away that the Porsche driver clearly wasn't trying, where as the Alfa was giving it everything he has, so not surprised to see your comments at all.

You clearly could have had the legs on him as you did on some of the more open sections, but fair play to him, he knew exactly when to hang the gears out for a corner for what I could see.


I think anyone getting an 8.15min BGT is on it. It looks like Max Banks driving the Alfa who knows how to pedal. The little Alfa is an early 60's design running little skinny 15's so it is a remarkable achievement to get anywhere close to a GT3. Assuming an 850kg weight it was around 254bhp/ton at the time of the video. Nowadays they have developed the 105 a little further with titanium wishbones, power up to 240bhp and weight down to 830kg. Proper mental Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a guy who posts on Pistonheads who's often on the DN days with a Fiat Panda 100hp which is indecently quick.

No idea what's been done to the car, but there surely cannot have been that much. A decent setup and an experienced driver can be hugely quick without too much HP around there.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All that said, the Alfa is a quick little car & it demonstrates how much light weight can level the playing field over a heavier car with more power.


This ^ I track a Caterham R300 that has <200bhp and is geared for <130mph. But, it only weighs about 500kg. Even at a big circuit like Spa, the Caterham is as fast/faster than far more powerful/potent machines it just goes about it in a very different way.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/9BuZmJmpTdk

Is this the chasing car?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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https://youtu.be/9BuZmJmpTdk

Is this the chasing car?


Yes this it a later evolution but actually the same car. When Harris drove it, it was 290bhp/ton hence the name GTA-R 290 whereas in the Nick video it was around 254bhp/ton at the time Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that title is brutal as I know from the car and the driver it's just a steady BTG lap

a good lap from the Alfa but there is a probably a reason why he didnt show the other videos when Nick was much faster.

I know that video pain, did a day at Silverstone many years (a decade) ago with my brother (his 1st time on track), but low and behold youtube only had a video of cars chasing the GT3 when he was driving it on his 1st ever session asking why the car was sooooo slow Hand
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both these guys have clearly done their fair share of laps round the Ring.

I think you've probably got to have 100+ laps in you before you start to get close to exploring the limits of whatever you're driving consistently over the lap.

There's plenty of old shells rocketing round the Ring making mockery of the flash twats who turn up in their new M3s. When I was there a few years ago I sat in with a guy who'd done 300 odd laps in his stripped out mk2 Golf Gti, sticky tyres and track suspension. Probably 150bhp in 900kg and he was roasting everyone. Quite the lesson.

So it's more credit to Nick that on a 'casual' lap with passenger he's staying ahead of the Alfa being driven to the limit. Nick - what kind of speeds do you hit over Schwedenkreuz? One of only a few places really where power actually tells over the lap. Hitting that blind crest without lifting is Surprised if you haven't got your line spot on.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

250-265 kph usually
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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250-265 kph usually


And to do that you really can’t drop much below 160 kph in the Flugplatz beforehand and so on and so on.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for comparison this is what a slow and steady 8'15 minute BTG lap looks like from inside a 996 GT3

from 2008 so before Go-Pro's so excuse the video quality


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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for comparison this is what a slow and steady 8'15 minute BTG lap looks like from inside a 996 GT3

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Blimey, doesn’t time fly, over 10 years ago.

Good going as loads of traffic early on.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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911UK wrote:
for comparison this is what a slow and steady 8'15 minute BTG lap looks like from inside a 996 GT3

from 2008 so before Go-Pro's so excuse the video quality


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Blimey, doesn’t time fly, over 10 years ago.

Good going as loads of traffic early on.


Simpler times when GT3 aero didnt eliminate lift (always intersting on those bumps) and of course the temperamental Toyo tyres that were never quite consistent lap to lap (cue all the abs) until they were actually worn flat Mr. Green

Still a year before I finally found outright pace on that set up, how I miss that original Zakspeed Viper aka Moses
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not even an RS. CS yes and highly modded. get the facts right first Wink

I would say Nick's car is good for mid - late 7 mins and he has done more laps than I have hot dinners in my life and that GT3 does not look on edge. and that car is a weapon and suited to the ring well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how I miss that original Zakspeed Viper aka Moses


Moses Question
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how I miss that original Zakspeed Viper aka Moses


Moses Question


Just as Moses parted the Red Sea, the Viper did a fantastic job of sweeping through TF traffic. If you could follow it close behind, it greatly assisted getting a decent lap.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Moses Question


Just as Moses parted the Red Sea, the Viper did a fantastic job of sweeping through TF traffic. If you could follow it close behind, it greatly assisted getting a decent lap.


and training to get around in under 8 mins, had some memorable laps in those earlier days trying to keep up and learning the tricks of how to pass on a TF day thumbsup fond memories thumbsup

IIRC it went off and over the barrier and down the drop at the "Miss-Hit-Miss"

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