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C11BRA
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things to (possibly) do in first 18 months.

Fit mesh grilles to bumper vents.
Overhaul brakes & hoses. Paint calipers non PCCB yellow?
Fit the larger GT3 suspension mounted brake cooling ducts.
Fit centre radiator & ducting. With thermostat.
Fit Gurney strip to rear spoiler.
Fit air intake scoops to rear spoiler. Painted or carbon fibre.
Modify centre exhaust with switchable valve system.
Remove 10mm spacers from rear and replace with 5mm spacers from front.
May consider a set of front springs to temporarily lower the front 10-15mm.
Trim interior parts with Alcantara as per genuine GT3. (Excl centres of seats)
Fit fire extinguisher/s (may paint yellow to match interior theme)

Please feel free to suggest other details.

Longer term.


I’d like to fit coil-over system with nose lift.
Larger brake calipers & larger steel discs all round. And larger bore master cylinder if needed.
If the engine/IMS fails, I would seriously look into fitting a Mezger lump.
(Pretty sure it would be a nightmare with all the dry sump ancillaries etc but I’d love the challenge. Would it even mate with the standard gearbox. I’ve researched the GT3 box and for road use, I don’t think it’s worth the slightly nicer heft to the gear change and the option to change ratios (that I’m unlikely to ever do).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW.

I promise to do something with the GT3 badge on the rear. It will either be a de-badge or something creative. For now it still wears it’s wrongly sized 991 GT3 badge, but only because I haven’t decided what to do yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
have you removed the GT3 badges yet?


Hang him if he hasn't I say Judge

You should not be driving this hoodwink of a car nooo















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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C11BRA wrote:

Longer term.

... fitting a Mezger lump.
... Would it even mate with the standard gearbox.


Nope (which is why the Turbo went to the 9A1 architecture when PDK came in with the 997 Gen 2 while the GT3, GT3RS, GT2 and GT2RS all remained strictly manual until the Mezger was retired). So if you were ever to do such an engine swap then you will either also be doing the gearbox as well or sailing into uncharted waters engineering a way to mate your old one to it (which may or may not even be viable).

To be honest, I suspect that a better option would be to accept life with fewer RPMs available and instead investigate a Hartech 3.9 rebuild & upgrade when such time comes. That also ought to fit very nicely with the character of tourer that you seem to be heading towards?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice Disco.

Thank you.

I imagine that there are considerably more Turbo engine & gearboxes available on the market than GT3. Has anyone heard of cars being retro fitted with this combination? Obviously disconnecting the front drive of the 4WD box (as it seems can be done). And then changing piston/con-rod internals to increase the compression ratio up to NA spec. I imagine the crankshaft has different throw dimensions which will probably make the idea financially stoopid. Then the intake & exhaust would need modification. Any extra sensors on a Mezger?

Just playing with ideas before people start aiming their guns.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C11BRA wrote:
Good advice Disco.

Thank you.

I imagine that there are considerably more Turbo engine & gearboxes available on the market than GT3. Has anyone heard of cars being retro fitted with this combination? Obviously disconnecting the front drive of the 4WD box (as it seems can be done). And then changing piston/con-rod internals to increase the compression ratio up to NA spec. I imagine the crankshaft has different throw dimensions which will probably make the idea financially stoopid. Then the intake & exhaust would need modification. Any extra sensors on a Mezger?

Just playing with ideas before people start aiming their guns.


personally if you want oomph the simple and around 10k solution is to fit a supercharger they do one that sits snuggly where the current airbox sits and adds 150bhp that would take you to 505bhp with no turbo lag Grin Grin then your well and truly in GT3 territory and still Naturally aspirated .
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a great time in Wales.

Drove south today down the coastal roads from Conwy Quay hotel to a fantastic hotel near St David’s. The Twr Felin Hotel. A former windmill. An art hotel & perfect to our taste.

My fake-ass car!



I chose a room in the original windmill. (Top left of photo)



Very very impressed with the room & art. (In need of some Paul Oz art in my opinion though)





Looking forward to fancy pants dinner in the restaurant later.



The 997 is enjoying our first road trip. Hoping for nicer weather tomorrow up the mountain roads.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the well placed finger Grin

Did they get the artwork from Kool Kanvas Dont know Floor

Hotel looks mega Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst driving south today, we come across 3 air cooled and a 996.2 heading north. Any one know these guys?

By complete fluke, we drove in convoy on the M25 with these chaps on Friday morning. They must be doing a South to North Wales Drive whilst we are doing the opposite. Early black 911 on black/silver plates is lovely.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you bother putting a mezger in a standard 997? Seems a lot of effort and ££

Just go out and buy a real gt3 as that would keep its value. Not a fake 997 with a mezger in it.

There is so much you would have to change to get it anywhere near a real gt3 and it would never be one. Wrong chassis number and not the stiffer shell of a gt3 for starters

As you said first up you had the money for a gt3 so go buy one

They are dropping in price and a lovely black one for 65k in aldershot for sale
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:


personally if you want oomph the simple and around 10k solution is to fit a supercharger they do one that sits snuggly where the current airbox sits and adds 150bhp that would take you to 505bhp with no turbo lag Grin Grin then your well and truly in GT3 territory and still Naturally aspirated .


How would it still be NA with a charger strapped to it?

I'm with the above poster, you have the money to buy a GT3, buy one, you'll spend less in the long run! I still can't help but cringe at the thought of driving around in a Carrera with a GT3 badge stuck on the back?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The artwork in the hotel restaurant area looks Pure Evil

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m in the “just go buy a GT3’ camp as well,

The amount of time and effort involved in faffing about re trimming everything, fitting another engine and box !

Have you seen the price of a Metzger lump 😳

Strapping a charger to an engine irrespective of where it sits in the engine bay is blowing air, Forced induction ! So not N/A at all, unless you don’t connect it up ?

Which would be like having a none GT3 car with a GT3 badge on it, I don’t care less what car it is or what badge is on it, if I had a GT3 car tho it would irk me some what, a bit like my Black Stealth Golf GTI in the early 90’s ! Late big bumper model, when you see some one with a CL that’s stuck a GTI badge on it, changed the seats and a bit of trim and put a loud exhaust on it, personally I wouldn’t but we’re all different, I couldn’t keep throwing money at something that’s never going to worth any more than it is now, the car is de valuing and the genuine GT3 is proof at that.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
Why would you bother putting a mezger in a standard 997? Seems a lot of effort and ££

Just go out and buy a real gt3 as that would keep its value. Not a fake 997 with a mezger in it.

There is so much you would have to change to get it anywhere near a real gt3 and it would never be one. Wrong chassis number and not the stiffer shell of a gt3 for starters

As you said first up you had the money for a gt3 so go buy one

They are dropping in price and a lovely black one for 65k in aldershot for sale



I’m not totally serious. Only if my engine fails.

£65k is a bargain. Wow!

Anyway. Back to Wales. We’re heading here this morning.

“A4069 Black Mountain Pass

Also known as ‘the Top Gear road’, after Jeremy Clarkson was filmed driving it, this swooping mountain pass is a favourite with car magazine test drivers, bikers and motorists..........”
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your rear spoiler/Lid a real GT3 or Fibreglass aftermarket?

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go easy on black mountain pass as 50 speed limits up there now and lots of sheep around.

old bill everywhere at the weekend these days.

some crazy bikers up there too
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-- 997 -- wrote:
Is your rear spoiler/Lid a real GT3 or Fibreglass aftermarket?

Cheers

J


Genuine Porsche Aerokit I believe. I plan to add the 2 air scoops, gurney flap & adjustable blade to make it GT3 spec.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before we set off this morning, a quick wash was needed:



We went a different route in the end.

Need to go back and spend more time on the passes.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry gents when I said its NA with a blower I meant it has the sound of an NA car compared to the sort of whoosh note the turbo has ,so you can still achieve the GT type sound track . but I am as surprised as everyone that the GT bubble seems to have peaked and the prices starting to be more realistic 65K for a 997 GT3 seems much more realistic. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C11BRA wrote:
-- 997 -- wrote:
Is your rear spoiler/Lid a real GT3 or Fibreglass aftermarket?

Cheers

J


Genuine Porsche Aerokit I believe. I plan to add the 2 air scoops, gurney flap & adjustable blade to make it GT3 spec.


Thats good, if it was an aftermarket rear lid, dont waste your time and money on air scoops and a gurney, cos nothing will fit perfect without major modifications!!! Get original porsche air scoops and gurney for your original rear lid, NOT aftermarket ones, cos they wont fit!!!

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