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Poker2009
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 pm    Post subject: Suspension refresh Reply with quote

Hi

I am planning on a suspension refresh with Ohlins.

I am struggling with all the different part numbers, and the differing names for the same items.

Are "forks" the same thing as what people call "diagonals"?

Thankyou for any help!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Vin

As per my PM, here is the list of parts I bought when I had my suspension sorted at CG, excluding the Ohlins which I bought from D911.

Please note that my car is model year 2006, there may be some differences between model years so worth double checking everything. The Meyle website is worth a look to check part numbers, also the Elephant Racing suspension navigator is worth a look to get your head around how the suspension works.

https://www.elephantracing.com/996-997-suspension-navigator/

Here are the links to the eBay items, ps. never trust what the eBay seller or part checker says, they are quite often wrong. Where possible check agains the OEM part number.

Front lower control arms
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-CARRERA-997-FRONT-LOWER-WISHBONE-CONTROL-ARM-2005-2012-x-2-A966/191776271915?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Rear lower control arms
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-Boxster-Meyle-Front-or-Rear-Lower-Control-Arm-Wishbone-4160500000/321838317195?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Front diagonals
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-997-CARRERA-GTS-987-BOXSTER-CAYMAN-TUNING-FORK-CONTROL-ARM-997407150-/173961401191?hash=item2880e85367

Front top mounts
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-SACHS-FRONT-TOP-STRUT-MOUNTING-CUSHION-SET-802-553-I-NEW-OE-REPLACEMENT/153040114108?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Top mount bearing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Top-Suspension-Strut-Mount-Spare-Component-Part-Replacement-99634351505/302945301962?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Inner track rods - WARNING - think I got this part number wrong!! Question https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-911-996-INNER-TIE-RODS-TRACK-RODS-x-2-A1236/202018043275?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Outer track rods ends
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-987-911-996-OUTER-TIE-ROD-ENDS-TRW-OEM-A1235/192273816122?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Front drop links
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-CAYMAN-911-987-997-FRONT-LINK-RODS-PAIR-MEYLE-HD-A1378/192715784350?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649


And a pic of all the bits!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Suspension refresh Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
Hi



Are "forks" the same thing as what people call "diagonals"?

Thankyou for any help!


Tuning forks are diagonal arms .. they are bolted to the center bush in each coffin arm , they get called different names is all .
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rob

Thankyou very much for this, it is a lifesaver - I was pulling my hair out trying to to work out what is what!

I am finding a few bits on autodoc, as well as eBay - which will save quite a bit of money.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Suspension refresh Reply with quote

deMort wrote:
Poker2009 wrote:
Hi



Are "forks" the same thing as what people call "diagonals"?

Thankyou for any help!


Tuning forks are diagonal arms .. they are bolted to the center bush in each coffin arm , they get called different names is all .


Thankyou - I managed to work it out earlier today - by deduction! People use so many different names for the same thing. Gathering part numbers and comparing prices, is not as straight forward as I thought it would be.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Suspension refresh Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
deMort wrote:
Poker2009 wrote:
Hi



Are "forks" the same thing as what people call "diagonals"?

Thankyou for any help!


Tuning forks are diagonal arms .. they are bolted to the center bush in each coffin arm , they get called different names is all .


Thankyou - I managed to work it out earlier today - by deduction! People use so many different names for the same thing. Gathering part numbers and comparing prices, is not as straight forward as I thought it would be.


Took me forever too and it is confusing with all the differing part names! Still manage to order the wrong track rod ends and front lower control arms! Definitely worth checking and double checking part numbers!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

let me just say at work i can look at different systems for parts and instructions and the same part is called different names ..

It's the german to english translation that's the problem .. there is no one guy doing this but many and there is often no direct translation of what they call an item to what we would call it so they do their best .

We also use slang a lot more ( not sure the Germans do this ) .. it looks like a tuning fork to be honest !
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a fork to me too, can't really see "diagonal"!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It goes at a diagonal angle to the coffin arm Smile



In geometry, a diagonal is a line segment joining two vertices of a polygon or polyhedron, when those vertices are not on the same edge. Informally, any sloping line is called diagonal.

That's a quote btw as i'm not that intelligent !
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost there gathering part numbers, and where to source from.

Does the rear require 4 dogbones?

Porsche p/n: 997 331 047 01
Meyle p/n: 416 050 0008

AND

Is the "Toe Arm" the same as "REAR Drop links"? Left and Right required?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timely post as I am considering having similar work done soon.

A few questions that might be relevant:

- How about anti-roll bar bushes, should these be changed "while there" too?
- Porsche OEM suspension arms are TRW. Anyone know where these can be purchased? Are Meyle suitable? (I read somewhere on a forum that there is more variance in their bushings resistance, this was based on actual research, not just speculation)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riccardo wrote:
Timely post as I am considering having similar work done soon.

A few questions that might be relevant:

- How about anti-roll bar bushes, should these be changed "while there" too?
- Porsche OEM suspension arms are TRW. Anyone know where these can be purchased? Are Meyle suitable? (I read somewhere on a forum that there is more variance in their bushings resistance, this was based on actual research, not just speculation)


TRW I have seen only on autodoc.co.uk, it is OE quality, but is about twice the price of Meyle. I have been told the Meyle parts are just as good, and others have used with no issues. I have read about size issues a long time ago, but nothing recently - perhaps the issues are resolved, but I am not 100% certain.

Anti-roll bar bushes, I do not intend to replace.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also found this thread useful. Thanks.

Can anyone advise on the difference between the attached picture? They're both rear track control arms and there's a £30 difference but not sure which ones I'd need for 997.1 c2s.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ones at £140

p/n 416 050 0009

are what I bought in for my car (which is a 997.1 C2S)

This website looks like a copy of autodoc.co.uk!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FRONT SUSPENSION PARTS:

Sachs front top mount 2 £38.04 Autodoc 802553 997 343 018 01
H-Tech, anti-friction bearing 2 £46.46 carparts4less.co.uk 414 641 0002 996 343 515 05
Meyle track control arm (front) 2 £198.45 eBay: johnyboy-1 416 050 0005 997 341 053 04
Meyle Diagonals aka Forks (front) 2 £132.20 Autodoc 416 050 0006 997 341 143 00
Meyle Drop links (LEFT) 1 £18.91 Autodoc 416 060 0012/HD 997 343 069 04
Meyle Drop links (RIGHT) 1 £18.91 Autodoc 416 060 0013/HD 997 343 070 04
TRW inner rod end (front) 2 £46.38 Autodoc JAR1041 997 347 322 01
TRW outer rod end (front) 2 £45.46 Autodoc JTE760 996 347 131 04
Porsche front anti-roll bar bushes 2 £28.95 eBay: 9-apart-ltd 996 343 792 17

REAR SUSPENSION PARTS:

Meyle track control arm (rear) 2 £255.00 eBay: johnyboy-1 416 050 0009 997 331 053 03
Meyle Diagonals aka Forks (rear) 2 £128.04 Autodoc 416 050 0004 997 331 043 01
Meyle Rear Drop links (LEFT) 1 £17.70 Autodoc 416 060 0015 997 333 069 06
Meyle Rear Drop links (RIGHT) 1 £16.67 Autodoc 416 060 0016 997 333 070 06
Meyle dogbone (rear) 4 £203.24 eBay: dusty789blue 416 050 0008 997 331 047 01
Meyle toe arm (rear) 2 £115.90 eBay: johnyboy-1 416 050 0007 997 331 045 04
OEM rear top mount 2 £264.70 Porsche 997 333 061 01
Meyle Engine mounts (pair) 1 £276.22 Autodoc 414 375 0003 997 375 049 06
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Above is where I sourced my parts from. Apologies for format, it is a copy and paste from excel (hopefully helpful to others). Also got some "quidco" discounts!

I bought everything on the lists above in the end, EXCEPT rear top mounts and engine mounts.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
The ones at £140

p/n 416 050 0009

are what I bought in for my car (which is a 997.1 C2S)

This website looks like a copy of autodoc.co.uk!


Thanks good to know, even if I still have no idea of the difference!

It’s the autodoc iPhone app, I’ve found it tends to be a couple more % off than their website!
 
  
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