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997 Coast
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:43 pm    Post subject: 997. gen 1 without bore POSITIVE POSTS please Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bombproof 4S for sale on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907119953053
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Bombproof 4S for sale on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907119953053




The thread requests without bore issues - for owners without probs
 
  
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me&my997
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Bombproof 4S for sale on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907119953053


£28k Rolling Eyes
lovely car but at that money you would want a pristine & original example , the wheels are not exactly enhancing it & those tailpipes are just comical


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t you need 2 threads ie pre and post Harte has rebuild Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy to contribute to the positive vibes of a 997 .
2006 88K manual 3.6 , no concerns whatsoever , starts first crack , sounds sweet , drives faultlessly & runs like a swiss watch thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me&my997 wrote:
I'm happy to contribute to the positive vibes of a 997 .
2006 88K manual 3.6 , no concerns whatsoever , starts first crack , sounds sweet , drives faultlessly & runs like a swiss watch thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 Coast wrote:
me&my997 wrote:
I'm happy to contribute to the positive vibes of a 997 .
2006 88K manual 3.6 , no concerns whatsoever , starts first crack , sounds sweet , drives faultlessly & runs like a swiss watch thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me&my997 wrote:
Alex wrote:
Bombproof 4S for sale on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907119953053


£28k Rolling Eyes
lovely car but at that money you would want a pristine & original example , the wheels are not exactly enhancing it & those tailpipes are just comical

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loads out there that will run and run I am sure and it only affected about 5-10 of cars.

more likely to happen to a tiptronic car as more torque loads when starting in 2nd more and more likely to be driven around town than a manual.

i guess it luck of the drawer as you could buy a minter and then sth happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By definition, Alex haa submitted a car that won't suffer borescore issues.
Although that car is £4k too much in my book
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep no matter how hard you try you can't disguise a few fundamental facts about these cars, but good effort. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm happy with mine.

Best car I've ever driven.

Drives great

Sounds great

Looks great.

997 C4s

And yes it has had the what appears to be normal problems but I love it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3.6 best car I've ever owned 2006
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sold mine around 4 months ago, the new owner took it to Hartech and a clean bill of health, the car had been run on Fuchs GT1 5/40 with me for the 5 years that I had it along with a number of years on the same oil before me.
LTT fitted as soon as I bought it, always warmed up and not driven until oil was at temp, then let rip from 3000rpm plus never laboured in low gears.

Convinced this is the way to look after them, the car had 12 monthly oil changes with myself and previous owners not the bi annual oil service that Porsche came up with.
Just my tuppence !
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d agree, as a young lad my dad made me take my first car to a guy up the road who looked after everyone’s car, the general rule of thumb was 4 oil changes every year, NEVER EVER increase revs until oil and water needle was up to operating temp,

And every time he filled it back up with clean oil he said the same thing “if that engine could talk it would be thanking you now”

I later found out that he was a rubbish ventriloquist! He had an Oil burning heater for his home and he’d cleverly utilised the pit in his garage for extracting a means to heat his home whilst getting paid for servicing work, but I still change my oil every season and think the same thing every time !
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, OP, so suppose I decide to start a thread with something like this: "hey guys, thinking of buying a 997 Gen 1. Are they a good purchase? Opinions welcome."
If there's a 10% chance that the engine will destroy itself, leaving me with a huge repair bill, I'd want to know. And if Baz Hart says they all need a rebuild at 100k (I'm paraphrasing) I'd want to know that too.

Pretending that a problem isn't there won't make it go away.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
OK, OP, so suppose I decide to start a thread with something like this: "hey guys, thinking of buying a 997 Gen 1. Are they a good purchase? Opinions welcome."
If there's a 10% chance that the engine will destroy itself, leaving me with a huge repair bill, I'd want to know. And if Baz Hart says they all need a rebuild at 100k (I'm paraphrasing) I'd want to know that too.

Pretending that a problem isn't there won't make it go away.


Just to define your position in case I misread , you are effectively claiming that "all" 997.1 will need rebuilding after 100k?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in fairness to the OP that there is too much negativity and focus on the bad points. To a certain extent this is inevitable, but it does seem to be all-pervasive, and as such, it starts to wear very thin.

There is, of course, a need to share and discuss common problems (and solutions!); but to keep relentlessly focussing in on those problems to the extent that the very many upsides of ownership are ignored is a real shame.

By way of example, I am new here. I recently purchased a 997.1 2S at over the phone at an auction totally unseen and un-inspected. Many people would think I am insane, but it is the way that I have bought my cars for over 30 years, and in that time I have only had one genuine horror show. (For those that are interested it was a Lotus Esprit). Thing is, I have wanted a 911 for years. Not just any Porsche, a 911. I like cars that I can tinker with and the 997 is probably the last 911 where you can do some stuff yourself.

I might be lucky, I might not. I keep a contingency fund for issues and sometimes I use some of it, but mostly not.

I am absolutely delighted with my car, and my wife (who is not a car person at all) is literally a changed woman, who actually keeps going outside and looking at it. I couldn't be happier.

It is to be my everyday car, not some garage queen, and it will commute, do tip runs, go abroad and take my small children to nursery. I can't imagine a finer choice, and in my time I have owned the aforementioned Lotus, an E type and a Ferrari Daytona (also bought unseen with a blown engine - another story completely).

Then you come onto forums like this (others are worse, by the way), and read the inevitable stuff about IMS, bore scoring, your car is worthless without a Hartech rebuild, etc, etc. It does kick sand in your face somewhat. If I had no car knowledge, and perused these forums before buying my hero, I would probably have been put completely off.

I like to see people enjoying their cars, celebrating them, and doing completely normal and trivial stuff with them.

So I for one salute the OP. There is plenty of time to talk about problems and issues. Let's be sure to make some time for talking up the good bits as well.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is a perfect example of why I did the 996 IMS data collection thread. That thread proved and displayed how much of an issue the problem was and to which specific model affected.

Rather than members hurl abuse at other members (comments now rightly deleted by mods), maybe they could put their time to better use and do something similar (and more productive).

I even got asked when I did that thread over 4 years ago to do one on bore-scoring.

Far more help to all members than slinging dirt.
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