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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 Coast wrote:
997 Coast wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
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I own a 2005 March build gen 1 S Engine number confirms better bearing. Ok clutch water pump etc I get replaced - Biggest shock WAS THE PRICE FOR THE PASSENGER SIDE 18 position switches - its about £340 - two front shocks at around £800 pair. SUPERSPRINT manifolds and exhausts etc the list amounts along with major and minor every year amounts to around £11,000 to keep it tip top

HOWEVER - I know its only a gen1 - and some of you regard this model as somewhat chocolate
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Well mine does not have bore scores - just scuffs - Enjoy

Gen 2 cars are bomb proof Grin


Or of course the ultra bomb proof king of the naturally aspirated, the 991.1 worship worship worship worship worship worship worship
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I HAVE BEEN NOMINATED BY SPONGEBOB as the factotum of non bore score 997 gen 1


Cool Lets do it x
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All 911’s sound like a bag of spanners when idling.

Regular oil and filter change is all you need to worry about.

Just drive it Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the paranoia that seems to surround every 911’s engine - it’s helped to devalue them, meaning I can afford to buy and own one Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the paranoia that seems to surround every 911’s engine - it’s helped to devalue them, meaning I can afford to buy and own one Thumb


Ain’t that the truth...... although some 996’s seem to creeping up and have been doing so for a while ? Whilst the 997.1 has steadily dropped. Which made buying a lower mileage, gen1 997 much more appealing.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 Coast wrote:
I HAVE BEEN NOMINATED BY SPONGEBOB as the factotum of non bore score 997 gen 1


Cool Lets do it x


Grin The only one that’s cropped up so far is a Hartech rebuild Surprised
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

Thanks for the advice, decided to keep an eye on oil usage and not do the borescope. If there is a problem i'll just have to get t repaired!...
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi All,

Thanks for the advice, decided to keep an eye on oil usage and not do the borescope. If there is a problem i'll just have to get t repaired!...


Right move imo , problems will show their head if indeed there are any , this forum represents such a small minority of UK owners yet at times creates a majority of negativity .
Make sure all the variables are covered , switch to yearly oil swaps , warm the car thoroughly & do the major things as Porsche suggest ( 6 yr 12 yr etc )
In the meantime just enjoy the car , if you aren't a previous flat 6 owner they can sound loud , they can sound unrefined & they can produce smoke & fluids from time to time Wink but it doesn't necessarily mean a meltdown is happening
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazhart wrote:
There are of course some issues with Gen 2 engines (as with any other manufacturers products) but they are so rare that they would not be considered worth worrying about unless there are very obvious signs and performance deterioration or very high oil consumption. Any faults resulting in bore scoring would be more likely to occur in winter or after an overheating issue of some kind.

We did post when we received some cars with engine faults in order to establish how common they were and we also sorted out some repair options but since then have had not one enquiry - so you would be very unlucky if your is faulty.

Don't worry - enjoy it.

Baz


I'll also agree .. i've herd of one issue .. unconfirmed but never seen any of the G2 suffering from this.

whilst anything is possible .. 4 horsemen of the apocalypse for example then there are some things you shouldn't worry about , anything is possible to be fair but the odds .. hmm .
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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this forum represents such a small minority of UK owners yet at times creates a majority of negativity


I don't necessarily agree with that, this is the place to come if you want some sound advice, as was given in this thread, you go read anywhere else and people can't control themselves get all hot headed and give out poor advice regarding the known issues, they usually haven't actually got a clue and have just heard rumors but feel like they need to say something anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:
me&my997 wrote:
this forum represents such a small minority of UK owners yet at times creates a majority of negativity


I don't necessarily agree with that, this is the place to come if you want some sound advice, as was given in this thread, you go read anywhere else and people can't control themselves get all hot headed and give out poor advice regarding the known issues, they usually haven't actually got a clue and have just heard rumors but feel like they need to say something anyway.


Where else Dont know i'm not knocking the forum , as you say its a great resource , full of knowledge & better still full of enthusiastic owners but i will stand by what i wrote , across the number of 911 currently on UK roads it represents a minority yet much of the negativity that surrounds the cars stems from here .
You have to bear in mind that many of the magazine writers (of any marque) simply trawl the relevant forums for knowledge & inside information .
Yes there are issues , yes there are problems but in the case of this op why would he need to spend any time or money looking for problems that aren't even there
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you're hardly gonna hear any negativity from the majority that aren't on any media platforms like this are you? Confused

You can't ignore facts about these cars just to make people feel good.

Yes they have problems, but they wipe the floor with most stuff out there, especially for the price.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Well you're hardly gonna hear any negativity from the majority that aren't on any media platforms like this are you? Confused

You can't ignore facts about these cars just to make people feel good.
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Many other cars do too & not just performance cars like Porsche , the majority will hit a certain mile or marker & have predictable fails ( within a certain % ) that therefore creates a internet trail but with regards major fail on models discussed on this forum the % seems to be accepted at under 10% (IMS + bearing fail) so a lump less than the number of N52 Bmw that will have waterpump fail under 60k or N54 that will have injectors & hpfp fail sub 45k .
Yes it happens but no need to scare off each & every newbie who passes here with disaster stories that will happen to them sooner or later .
Those who are determined to bring out the bad they should at least offer up some numbers to substantiate their claims , not just carry on shouting "get a borescope done get a borescope done get a borescope done "

& for the record i bought my 2006 86k 997 without having a ppi or borescope done what
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where else Dont know


Facebook groups, all the magazines (they just peddle what they are told), Pistonheads, Rennlist, there are many other places
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:
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Where else Dont know


Facebook groups, all the magazines (they just peddle what they are told), Pistonheads, Rennlist, there are many other places


Facebook i have no idea on because i'm not a member & magazines i suspect in general are not written by owners (unless brand specific ) just researchers who study what has already been written then regurgitate .
Just to clarify i accept there are fails , just as there are with any other cars , i just don't agree it will happen to each & every car / owner
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People say 'get a bore scope done' because its the best advice for someone buying a car that has a generic fault where the bores score!!

Be in denial if you want, but you spouting that advice is scare mongering is a ***** thousand times worse!

I'll pay the bill of anyone who suffers from my advice......will you?
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No one is saying it will happen to each and every owner. All the forum does is try to make sure a perspective owner is aware of the issues and is advised how best to make sure they don’t buy a lemon.

I also take the view that the vast majority on here use specialists to service / look after their cars and if they are anything like the ones I know then they all tell me never buy one.........even buying a 987.2 the first comments I get are “you did well not to buy a .1”. Even recently buying some parts from a breakers when I told them the part was for a .2 and not a .1 they stated they hardly saw any as they are bombproof, yep, the specialise in breaking 996 and 997’s with engine failures.

Now I don’t buy into that you should not buy one stance ie an informed purchaser, buying with eyes wide open, can get as much out of a .1 ownership as from any other sports car out there. I would not do it as I know my mentality could not live with the daily thought of the engine going pop, not because of the cost but just the shear hassle of it all ........but I respect for other it may be the right car for them.

So to echo the above, I think the posts on here are very valid, yes they will upset some who get fed up hearing the same old advice regurgitated but I for one won;t apologise for that. The advice is balanced, factually correct and informative to a potential purchaser. Not once do I recall a “don’t buy it” comment (unless its failed a bore score). It’s great you got one without carrying out the standard checks, you where lucky, it does not mean you where right IMHO.

I get you don’t like the comments but don;t tarnish the forum with something it ain’t .........it always seems to find a way of doing the right thing which is what makes it such a popular forum in the first place as most can see and appreciate that Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
No one is saying it will happen to each and every owner. All the forum does is try to make sure a perspective owner is aware of the issues and is advised how best to make sure they don’t buy a lemon.

I also take the view that the vast majority on here use specialists to service / look after their cars and if they are anything like the ones I know then they all tell me never buy one.........even buying a 987.2 the first comments I get are “you did well not to buy a .1”. Even recently buying some parts from a breakers when I told them the part was for a .2 and not a .1 they stated they hardly saw any as they are bombproof, yep, the specialise in breaking 996 and 997’s with engine failures.

Now I don’t buy into that you should not buy one stance ie an informed purchaser, buying with eyes wide open, can get as much out of a .1 ownership as from any other sports car out there. I would not do it as I know my mentality could not live with the daily thought of the engine going pop, not because of the cost but just the shear hassle of it all ........but I respect for other it may be the right car for them.

So to echo the above, I think the posts on here are very valid, yes they will upset some who get fed up hearing the same old advice regurgitated but I for one won;t apologise for that. The advice is balanced, factually correct and informative to a potential purchaser. Not once do I recall a “don’t buy it” comment (unless its failed a bore score). It’s great you got one without carrying out the standard checks, you where lucky, it does not mean you where right IMHO.

I get you don’t like the comments but don;t tarnish the forum with something it ain’t .........it always seems to find a way of doing the right thing which is what makes it such a popular forum in the first place as most can see and appreciate that Wink


+ 1. I always think I’m missing something with these debates. Surely the facts are pretty simple, a percentage will suffer due to a known design fault, but no one knows the percentage, anyone who exercises due diligence with information from forums such as this will get a susceptible vehicle checked before purchase, what puzzles me Is that even if you get it checked it can suffer from borescore at anytime, and any mileage, meaning the check is only of use at that time. Unless those aren’t facts having the information out there can only be a good thing surely Dont know
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reminds me of the crank shaft bearing failure on Discovery 4’s, if you were to read the majority of comments on all the forums you would never buy one, yet the vast majority of users / owners outside of forums aren’t even aware of crank shaft failure.
Sure there’s always that bloke at the scrap yard who’s an expert on everything that makes a living from those that can’t drive properly and the experts who can’t look after their cars in accordance with service schedules, or that bloke who lives down the road who knows some one that knew a bloke who thinks might have bought a 911 or was it a Mazda ?
Did it stop me from buying one NO !

Oil Dilution is apparently melting engines left right and centre in Discovery 5’s, Range Rovers, sports and Velars, I’ve got one of those sat on the drive as well.

I understand that the 997.1 has inherent flaws, I bought one a month ago. At the time of purchase what would have been the point in me paying for some one to do something that I know is already there ? To me it makes no sense ? To 99% of forum members on here it clearly makes sense and to those who are offering the service and PPI’s it also looks like it is a good idea.

Every single car I’ve ever had from a Ford Fiesta first ever car at 18 years old to an Audi Sport Quattro has suffered from some manufacturing defect or another. So what does every one do, Google ! And this confirms their worst fear, then all of a sudden they’re self proclaimed experts because they diagnosed a fault on something more often than not they manage to confirm something they don’t even own ? Or diagnose an illness based on other people’s ailments because the internet said that’s what the symptoms are ! If I were to sit panicking about everything I bought I’d be a very rich man, I’d never go out of the house or buy anything !

It’s great that these forums exist, my wife’s elated that I’ve sat for weeks reading endless reams on multiple forums gleaning as much info as possible whilst desperately trying not to buy the next best thing and the next best thing.......... I wanted a cheap car to plonk in the garage, use sparingly on a weekend and maybe take to the odd meet or gathering, what I actually needed was a 997 with 500bhp, carbon seats, a turbo, ceramic brakes and centre lock wheels with a GT3 RS badge on the lid.

I’ll take the gen 1 C4S 997 with all its ailments, put the £400k+ In to property and if and when it does happen I’ll swear for a bit then buy something else that’s inherently flawed and doomed with catastrophic failure.
 
  
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