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BlackTurbo
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:26 am    Post subject: Porsche 997 GTS or Turbo Reply with quote

Hi All,

Long time since I have posted ever since I sold my 996 Turbo.

I am in a position where I am looking for a car for max one year ownership as a stop gap for me whilst I save up for a particular exotic marque I have on my bucket list.

The criteria for me is simple really. A reliable fun car upto £50k which will hold its money well over the next 12 months and is a relatively painless sell come the time to move on.

The GTS and Turbo are the 2 cars I have my eyes on for this job, but I am surprised to see current prices show these two model types are overlapping.
So is this correct or is one undervalued and the other overvalued! With prices generally softening and falling across the board I would be interested in peoples views on which of these cars you think is the best bet for meeting the needs I have i.e. fun ownership, and will hold its money, will not be a pain to sell on.

Look forwards to your opinions. Please note I am not looking at any sort of investment car or the like as I am simply going to keep it for a year and will probably put max 3000 miles on it I assume in that time as a weekend toy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the GTS isn’t in budget Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
I suspect the GTS isn’t in budget Dont know


Mine was up for £46k, got it for a bit less. Was on 77k though!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
I suspect the GTS isn’t in budget Dont know


I have seen a few GTS's for under £50k and just over before a negotiation. I can access a tad over the budget for the perfect car but I guess the requirements still hold i.e. if I pay more than £50k it would ideally be for the car that most closely meets my needs.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackTurbo wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
I suspect the GTS isn’t in budget Dont know


I have seen a few GTS's for under £50k and just over before a negotiation. I can access a tad over the budget for the perfect car but I guess the requirements still hold i.e. if I pay more than £50k it would ideally be for the car that most closely meets my needs.


GTS for the sound, turbo for everything else Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted 10K over budget but this could be a decent option:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=134638

You could keep it for 12mts and it would still have 20mts porsche warranty left when you sold it.

Should make it pretty easy to sell, warranty also makes your ownership relatively low risk and I am sure you would get most of your money back.

I do not know the car or seller but worth considering if you can stretch your budget Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet you could get this one for £47,500.

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=132677&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo.

Next question... Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GTS no brainer and actually much more special car as run out last of the line with all the best bits in one package. Much easier ownership prospect especially if you want to sell in 12 month.

By way of example T8 has had a minter for sale for what 12 months and not sold?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo. They go faster. They’re bad boy. No brainer. Forget all the chin stroking bollox. Turbo.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said that Man...Turbo all day long

Do it, smile and buy me a pint when you realise how great they are !
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FRP wrote:
Well said that Man...Turbo all day long

Do it, smile and buy me a pint when you realise how great they are !


Are you going to be at VMAX mid Sept mate? No point having all that power without VMAXing her and seeing what she can really do Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dates and plans permitting ... it’s a yes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope to be there myself travel plans permitting Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the views.

Having had a 911 Turbo before all be it 996 I know what they are about but felt the GTS was very well regarded too. However seems that the overwhelming view seems to be to go for the 997 Turbo.

Is therefore the general consensus that a Turbo is more fun for normal weekend blasts than a GTS? I do not track my cars.

Also I assume from people views they also believe a Turbo will do better on residuals 12 months from now?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackTurbo wrote:


Is therefore the general consensus that a Turbo is more fun for normal weekend blasts than a GTS? I do not track my cars.

Also I assume from people views they also believe a Turbo will do better on residuals 12 months from now?



The rush of driving a 997 Turbo will be similar to your 996 Turbo .... only more so. The GTS is regarded as the best of the 997 Carreras and generally from AtoB won't be any slower. You won't get the same drama but some people prefer to have the noise instead.

I've been following the £45k-£55k market for 911s avidly over the last 12 months or so and most cars seem to be on the market for quite a while. Early 991 and 991S cars are firmly in this bracket now and although many of them also stick they do seem to be tempting more buyers at this price point as they are definitely newer and often have lower mileage.

Certainly values of both the 997 GTS and Turbo have fallen lately but whether they will continue to do so ......... Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The consensus amongst Turbo owners, is you should buy one. It usually is.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
The consensus amongst Turbo owners, is you should buy one. It usually is.


Owners always tend to blow their cars own trumpets which is only natural. 997 turbo really no different to a 996 turbo in a material way. OP go take both for a drive. I have a turbo too. Really very hard to open them up properly on road nowadays. I bought mine new in 2007 covering approaching 90k miles. Very nice but if the GTS had been out in 2007 I would have probably gone for GTS or maybe Sport Classic which I also love. GTS basically a Sport Classic without the bubble roof. Both fantastic you can’t go wrong but lately I find myself picking up the keys slower but more fun cars at sane speeds. I’ve been crossed up at 200mph. It was fun but don’t think I’d want to do it again Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO
It is not about what speed you can do. The turbo gives you a rush which is hard to match. I had a 997.2 Carrera 4S for few months before I changed to turbo. Wont ever go back to a non-turbo car. The only issue is the engine sound. I upgraded to a PSE for the 4S. Still the sound was not that good.
For the turbo I used a sharkwerks pipe and as I have a cab the sound is pretty good.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
The consensus amongst Turbo owners, is you should buy one. It usually is.


Well it should be reliable, most of us aren't selling so we're not just talking them up! There's a reason we bought them, often not our first 911.

I had a Carrera, it was truly lovely. The second best car I've ever owned. If it had been a GTS I'm sure it would have been an even closer second. But still 2nd Wink

T8, how widely are you advertising your car at that price. Can't see it anywhere major (the usual places - I won't advertise the competition - including the stock list here) at that price.

To say Turbos have come down. I bought a 63k, manual, black, from an [ok] independent 2 years ago for £45k. I think I could still easily make that back on 67k miles now.
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