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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:06 am    Post subject: Newbie - 997.1 S - Help Please Reply with quote

Hi All,

I have just joined and at the typical new joiner point in that I am about to buy my first 911.

After lots of deliberations I decided to go for a 997 over a 996. My intention was to go for a Carrera as it seemed a safer bet on the bore scoring front based on the research (lots of subjectiveness!).

However, I’ve located a couple of very interesting 3.8 S examples that fit my criteria and this is where I need your help please.

The car I am most interested in has just been serviced by OPC Cardiff and I have the 111 point check report. If the car has any bore scoring symptoms do we think the OPC would have picked up on this / noted it in the report?

Many thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t expect the OPC to have made any specific checks for bore scoring.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
Don’t expect the OPC to have made any specific checks for bore scoring.


Thanks, so do you think a clean 111 point check is no real comfort in respect of bore scoring/associated symptoms?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if this is up-to-date, but it will give you an idea.

https://www.porsche.lt/image/data/porsche-approved/111_checklist_for_points.pdf
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony_i wrote:
Don't know if this is up-to-date, but it will give you an idea.

https://www.porsche.lt/image/data/porsche-approved/111_checklist_for_points.pdf


Thank you
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The beauty of the 111-point check is that if it passes, you can buy a Porsche warrantee (even if you didn’t buy the car from them).

The warrantee can be worth its weight in gold - my 110k car has had about £12k of work on the warrantee, which cost £1900 for 2 years. They even replaced the gearbox because the synchromesh failed on 2nd gear - after 100k miles.

You can buy the warrantee up to its 14th birthday or 125k miles -at the time of taking out the warrantee.

If it hasn’t passed the check, and the vendor can get a quote for that work, then it might still be worth going through with it.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickprice wrote:
The beauty of the 111-point check is that if it passes, you can buy a Porsche warrantee (even if you didn’t buy the car from them).

The warrantee can be worth its weight in gold - my 110k car has had about £12k of work on the warrantee, which cost £1900 for 2 years. They even replaced the gearbox because the synchromesh failed on 2nd gear - after 100k miles.

You can buy the warrantee up to its 14th birthday or 125k miles -at the time of taking out the warrantee.

If it hasn’t passed the check, and the vendor can get a quote for that work, then it might still be worth going through with it.

Rich


Thanks! The car is an 06 on 114k miles so I could just sneak in!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing to note is, like mine, the car needs to be ‘Porsche spec’ at the time of the warrantee. Once you have the warrantee (1or 2 years) you can do what you want. The stereo comes to mind…

To re-warrantee it, you would need to return it back to Porsche spec again… but since I (and probably you) won’t be renewing, you can go ahead and do what you want with the car.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickprice wrote:
The other thing to note is, like mine, the car needs to be ‘Porsche spec’ at the time of the warrantee. Once you have the warrantee (1or 2 years) you can do what you want. The stereo comes to mind…

To re-warrantee it, you would need to return it back to Porsche spec again… but since I (and probably you) won’t be renewing, you can go ahead and do what you want with the car.

Richard


Not if you wish to make a claim on it you can’t, “So sorry sir it’s not standard so you have voided the warranty”
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My OPC are ok with it as long as the fault is not related to your mod. I have grilles in my bumper, for example. They are happy to look at the condenser leak for me under the warrantee.

Most of the work I have had done has been with these grilles in situ - which will have to come off for the 111 check!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't touch a Gen 1 3.8S without a bore-scope, regardless of who I was buying it off. It's alright saying you can put a Porsche warranty on it but even that would be a headache if the engine was scored. What level would Porsche say that the scored engine breached their warranty conditions? When its burning more oil that the amount stated in the manual? Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as its your first 997 I am in agreement with Alex for the cost of a Borescope you really shouldn't consider the car without having that done, Then based on findings get the Warrantee on it , you must have owned the car 90 days for you to get the OPC warranty yourself so get it put on the car as part of the deal . Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
I think as its your first 997 I am in agreement with Alex for the cost of a Borescope you really shouldn't consider the car without having that done, Then based on findings get the Warrantee on it , you must have owned the car 90 days for you to get the OPC warranty yourself so get it put on the car as part of the deal . Thumb


Opinions may vary, but in my humble opinion, the 3.6 is marginally the safer option.

Get a score scope check regardless...and just enjoy driving whatever get..

....try to avoid the Porsche paranoia once you've got your car.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
I wouldn't touch a Gen 1 3.8S without a bore-scope, regardless of who I was buying it off. It's alright saying you can put a Porsche warranty on it but even that would be a headache if the engine was scored. What level would Porsche say that the scored engine breached their warranty conditions? When its burning more oil that the amount stated in the manual? Dont know


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
I wouldn't touch a Gen 1 3.8S without a bore-scope, regardless of who I was buying it off. It's alright saying you can put a Porsche warranty on it but even that would be a headache if the engine was scored. What level would Porsche say that the scored engine breached their warranty conditions? When its burning more oil that the amount stated in the manual? Dont know


Thanks Alex and all.

I am having a PPI carried out tomorrow, including a borescope.

Speaking to the specialist they suggested they have only seen scoring on 4-6. Would you guys recommend paying extra to scope 1-3 also?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'd want all 6 checking even though the chances of bank 1 being worse than bank 2 are very minimal. Suppose it depends on the cost.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Personally I'd want all 6 checking even though the chances of bank 1 being worse than bank 2 are very minimal. Suppose it depends on the cost.


Decided to get all 6 checked.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Personally I'd want all 6 checking even though the chances of bank 1 being worse than bank 2 are very minimal. Suppose it depends on the cost.



BRING ON THE DANCING GIRLS - CHEERS & 2 teas

I enjoy Doris ( move over Darling ) apart from the bore score issues that confuse the value of gen 1 997

My bores are good - along with 95%


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately get a bore score check.

but, be careful who does it, as they need to understand what they see. We had a thread on here recently, guy got a bore score check, it came back pretty bad, he told the owner, the owner had no idea, guy walked away from the car, owner is rather upset I suspect. Turns out the Bore Scoring seen was bore scuffing, which is no problem at all and any engine should have some! Think someone bought the car cheaply, so owner screwed by a "specialist" who didn't know what they were doing....

Mind saying who you are using for the inspection? Someone will be able to say if they are good or bad!?!

I'm on 85,000 miles, 2007, C2S Cabrio. I love it, had it 4.5 years, put 40k miles on it. At some point in time it will without doubt need rebuilding, but at the moment, it's all fine and the bores were checked a few months ago and were very very clean.

Follow the rules, warm it up before you rag it, change the oil every year, treat it well, but use it, and they are awesome cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

resigner wrote:
Definately get a bore score check.

but, be careful who does it, as they need to understand what they see. We had a thread on here recently, guy got a bore score check, it came back pretty bad, he told the owner, the owner had no idea, guy walked away from the car, owner is rather upset I suspect. Turns out the Bore Scoring seen was bore scuffing, which is no problem at all and any engine should have some! Think someone bought the car cheaply, so owner screwed by a "specialist" who didn't know what they were doing....

Mind saying who you are using for the inspection? Someone will be able to say if they are good or bad!?!

I'm on 85,000 miles, 2007, C2S Cabrio. I love it, had it 4.5 years, put 40k miles on it. At some point in time it will without doubt need rebuilding, but at the moment, it's all fine and the bores were checked a few months ago and were very very clean.

Follow the rules, warm it up before you rag it, change the oil every year, treat it well, but use it, and they are awesome cars.



Welsh Porsche in Cardiff did the borescope today, early signs or scoring on 4&6.....!

So I have walked away from the deal as the vendor and I couldn’t find common ground on a reduced price, however he was a gent to deal with.

I’ve now located a 55 plate C2 3.6 coupe which I am going to see in person, Lower miles (89k) and maintenance/service history is good.

If I like it Portech in Nottingham will do the PPI inc borescope. Anyone used John there?
 
  
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