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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject: 997 carrera 2 S or not Reply with quote

Hello everyone

As a soon new porsche owner , and also new in UK, I would like to know if it is better to get a 997 2S rather than a normal 997 carrera
i just think it is complicated to enjoy fully the power of the Carrera 2S and all its ability on the country road
I am close to nottingham and is there close to nottingham a circuit where i can enjoy a bit of fun

thank for your advice
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donnington and Caldwell park spring to mind for track days.
I went 2s simply because I like the spec over a base 997 but reality is they are both quick cars and beyond using their full potential legally on the public highway. I'm not into driving overly fast on public roads, make good progress yes but I've picked the pieces up too many times from too many people who 'thought' they could drive.
I'm not a kill joy, I love driving quickly but best to save it for the track Very Happy
Good luck finding the right car for you.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MR997 wrote:
Donnington and Caldwell park spring to mind for track days.
I went 2s simply because I like the spec over a base 997 but reality is they are both quick cars and beyond using their full potential legally on the public highway. I'm not into driving overly fast on public roads, make good progress yes but I've picked the pieces up too many times from too many people who 'thought' they could drive.
I'm not a kill joy, I love driving quickly but best to save it for the track Very Happy
Good luck finding the right car for you.


thank for your answer
yes they are fantastic cars and yes driving safely is the point
I tested a 997 Carrera 2S and a 991 2s i will tested a carrera next week and decide after but my heart is going to a 2S
it is to find the car with the correct equation mileage/ price
I am always questioning myself regarding the maintenance cost with a car over 65000 miles

thank for the info of the driving place
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine ( except for Phil997, who sadly had an engine failure on a later 997.2 S ).

PPI is a must if you do, before you buy one.

Don`t forget Mallory Park, a great little race track, we`ll be there on the 5th September Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk

I'd definitely be looking for a Gen2 car. You can get a newer/lower mileage 3.6 for the same money as an older/higher mileage S.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve got a Gen2 C2 PDK. Very happy with it and never needed more power.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 997.2 C2, started out looking at gen 1 S', did a bit more research and decided i wanted a Gen 2 S, realised it's usually the spec that's better on the S', the extra horsepower doesn't really translate to much. I'd be open to both C2 and C2S. I found a C2 with high spec so went for that, definitely not a let down performance wise coming from a Golf 7R, but i wanted a manual C2 because i think the PDK would of felt old coming from the slick DSG box in the R. For me i think the older Porsches suit a manual better, love it!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the same position recently & was close to buying C2S C4S but in the end decided to ignore the "S" & extra bhp & buy what i considered the better car as in condition & history .( i was particularly after one which had intermediate oil changes as 20k / 2yr intervals seems crazy to me )
Buying around the 12/13 yr old mark i was staggered to find a majority of the cars i was interested in had not even followed the correct 20k/2yr history regime from new & only 1 had the 12yr MAJOR service carried out (the 1 being the one i now own)
It is possible to find well specced non S cars , mine has Bose , nav , heated seats extended leather etc but i would advise looking at a few to compare condition & how they sound / drive , then scour the history then form your own opinion over 2 / 2 s 4 / 4 s
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basalt911 wrote:
kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have


I agree, also surprised at scare mongering like this on this forum. There is a risk of bore scoring obviously, but just ensure you have a decent PPI done before buying including a bore scope, or buy a car which has had a recent engine rebuild done by a reputable specialist.

A nice 997.1 C2S can be purchased considerably cheaper than any 997.2 unless it's done galactic miles.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carcrazypop wrote:
Basalt911 wrote:
kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have


I agree, also surprised at scare mongering like this on this forum. There is a risk of bore scoring obviously, but just ensure you have a decent PPI done before buying including a bore scope, or buy a car which has had a recent engine rebuild done by a reputable specialist.

A nice 997.1 C2S can be purchased considerably cheaper than any 997.2 unless it's done galactic miles.


I've just purchased a 997.1 S 3.8 on 87k with a clear bore scoring test. You really need to understand the percentages regarding bore scoring and IMS issues rather than making sweeping statements based upon someone you know having an issue. These 'risks' are way over inflated to the point that its quite comical.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just bought a 997.1 C2S with 65000 miles. No bore scoring, fantastic car, great value.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a 997.1 C2S four years ago. No bore scoring.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too opted for the 997.1 C2s it came with a great warranty so didn't even bother with a PPI although I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else after 3 month my curiosity got her better of me and I took the car to a well know indi in my area to have the bore scoped all fine so I had a oil and filter done I asked what I could do to minimise the risk in future he recommended oil and filter between services and using a decent fuel, I asked if I should fit the 3rd radiator kit and a low temp thermostat he didn't think the 3rd radiator would do much and maybe fit the low temp thermostat next service but the most important thing he told me is the percentage that have problems is very small and I should really concentrate on enjoying the car which I am now doing, I think there are more scare stories than actual problems I know it happens and it must be very disappointing but I think it is rearer than people make out
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basalt911 wrote:
kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have


Shouldn't that be "scoremongering" Razz if it wasn't then it should be recognised terminology from now Laughing
As others have said above this forum is its own worse enemy at times , i almost bought a 997 4 months ago , rejoined the forum after a 7/8 yr absence ( couldn't remember my log in so started fresh) & the whole negative vibe on here from longterm members / short term members & official members pushed me to buy a Z4 35is Surprised http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=133234&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
spent the next 3 months doing my homework & then decided id crack on like i have with any other used sports car ive bought . Buy the best (not the first ) you come across that you can afford
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basalt911 wrote:


kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have



One persons comment can't really be construed as 'forum scaremongering'.

In any case none of us know whether jackofjed is aware of the potential issues associated with Gen1 cars so opening his eyes to them surely isn't a bad thing. Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was keen to get into a Gen2 and couldn’t justify the budget stretch to a c2S.

I’m still in love with my 997.2 c2 after 4 years. I seldom yearn for more power on the road, as the fun is in the corners and carrying momentum. More than quick enough.

Mind you, I’ve never driven a carrera S, I bought the first one I tried.

I’m in Derby if you want to have a nose around my car. There are a couple of meets next week as well. I’m sure people will be happy to show+tell.

PCGB - Monday at Coopers Arms, Weston on Trent
TIPEC - Wednesday at Packe Arms, Hoton (nr Loughborough). I’ll be there.

Both start from 6:30ish

Happy shopping Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Basalt911 wrote:


kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have



One persons comment can't really be construed as 'forum scaremongering'.

In any case none of us know whether jackofjed is aware of the potential issues associated with Gen1 cars so opening his eyes to them surely isn't a bad thing. Dont know


Fair enough, but if I was new to Porsche and didn't know about the possible pitfalls on 997.1's, if I read the quote above, that might surely scare me off as I could assume that all 997.1's will possibly suffer from bore scoring and therefore discount them completely. Rather than opening his eyes, I'd probably say he is closing them completely to 997.1's. IMHO
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a gen 1 3.8S 997 with a few mods like sports filter and sports box and RS engine mounts. its a tip with the AMG paddles to convert to flappies as well as having the engine rebuilt a few years back by hartech (not my ownership) so I should have no worries. its done 92k miles, has some battle scars on it but it owes me nothing and its a lovely shape.

have had a few things go like water pump and alternator but to be expected with a 15 year old car. done a bit of paint work on bumpers but not much else. I use it every day and its a riot to drive and it presses on quick!! love the torque of the 3.8 engine.

I change the oil and filter every 6 months and use 5W40 fully syth oil to keep things fresh as can do this at home no worries and its cheap to do. can even do plugs and coil packs when needed just not major mechanical stuff!

drove a gen 2 997 3.6 non S and not much in it to be honest. felt like the 345 bhp was more than enough on the road. not as torquey as the 3.8 but revved a bit more freely and felt plenty quick on the road (as does a gen 1 3.8S)

the gen 2 is a new car and you get the LEDs plus touch screen but not much in it to look at inside and out.

have a look at a few, get the spec and colour you want and just get it and DRIVE IT!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carcrazypop wrote:
T8 wrote:
Basalt911 wrote:


kurlykris wrote:
Personally I wouldn`t be looking for a 997.1 S 3.8, I don`t personally know anyone who has not had bore scoring on this engine Grin


i thought this forum knew better than scrare mongering like that? I think there a far more folk who haven't had bore scoring than who have



One persons comment can't really be construed as 'forum scaremongering'.

In any case none of us know whether jackofjed is aware of the potential issues associated with Gen1 cars so opening his eyes to them surely isn't a bad thing. Dont know


Fair enough, but if I was new to Porsche and didn't know about the possible pitfalls on 997.1's, if I read the quote above, that might surely scare me off as I could assume that all 997.1's will possibly suffer from bore scoring and therefore discount them completely. Rather than opening his eyes, I'd probably say he is closing them completely to 997.1's. IMHO


thank
there is a lot of information , i have seen even i didn't know i was possible to ask for a borescope before buying my futur 997. (too much time oversea)
as i work on navy diesel engine i know a bit about borescope and it is sometimes complicated to see and analyse but it is good advice
I want a porsche since a long time always delay due to many reasons now it is time and it is the right time i will go for a 997 S pdk because as i always drive in europe so pdk is easy just spend hours looking for the good one

i will def pass to derby when i am back from France.
 
  
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