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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject: Hartech 3.9 C4S up for sale Reply with quote

The ultimate C4S!

Just seen this pop up for sale and IMHO at a very good price for what it is.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/porsche-911-996-carrera-4s-3-9-hartech---------------2002/9822190?fbclid=IwAR3Lfs03fLPrveILeyXr0Ceb0V6iCuqgtvvQ1D-VwpRQP_H4IHknc59Rve4
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a great price in that it would cost you a lot more to get another car to the same spec - for me, very close to perfect. But it is pushing on turbo prices too... so its a tricky one
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'd actually prefer that car than a 996 turbo tip. Dont know

He claims it's quicker than a 997 3.9s which I can believe. There's also a 12-month transferable engine warranty still on it which you won't get on a 996 turbo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
I think I'd actually prefer that car than a 996 turbo tip. Dont know

He claims it's quicker than a 997 3.9s which I can believe. There's also a 12-month transferable engine warranty still on it which you won't get on a 996 turbo.


You could always buy it! There’s more to life than cabs Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...if one is looking for a 996 probably doesn't get any better than this example?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well kept 👍
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Alex wrote:
I think I'd actually prefer that car than a 996 turbo tip. Dont know

He claims it's quicker than a 997 3.9s which I can believe. There's also a 12-month transferable engine warranty still on it which you won't get on a 996 turbo.


You could always buy it! There’s more to life than cabs Grin



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I see prices like that it gives me some comfort on the bill for my soon to be 3.9!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I see prices like that it gives me some comfort on the bill for my soon to be 3.9!


I know how you feel.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m trying to figure out why he is selling it a year after a considerable investment in the engine.... while he says he has many cars and can’t keep them all, it would be interesting to know what he is keeping if the 3.9 is being sold!

Is it just me? Is it not a little strange?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...during my search a few years back I came across a 51k blue 996 with a reputed RPM engine rebuild totally £18k ...for £16k... did the deal over the phone, sent a £500 deposit, turned up to view the car....rough as rats!

Wasted journey and guys story about the car was as smelly as old fish !!!

The rebuild was just a thousand or so miles earlier? Didn't add up...
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's had the car 5.5 years and fancies a change. He's been considering selling since December. Can't see what's strange about it. Last year cylinder 6 showed signs of scoring diagnosed by Hartech. He decided to have a full rebuild and was given the option of going to 3.9 so he took it.
Sounds like a decent guy who did the right thing to me. Would it be preferable if he'd not had the rebuild, then off loaded it as a trade in to a non Porsche dealer who'd then sell it on to an unsuspecting buyer and end up as a horror story on here like we keep reading? Dont know

Sounds like a good all round chap to me who knows his stuff (reading the description on PH and some of his other posts in the FB 996 owners group).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not likely to find out, but it would be interesting to know what this goes for. I paid about half of that a few months ago for my C4S, which doesn’t need anything major doing.

With the conversion costing ~13K I guess you save yourself the ballache of doing everything in your ownership, and just buy the final product.

Group buy on a 3.9 conversion anyone? Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this was cobalt blue Id be selling both my other cars to get it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would punt for this for around the same money.

https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2773
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 Coast wrote:
I would punt for this for around the same money.

https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2773



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A car we have sold a number of times in lovely condition inside and out with FSH from new and not stratospheric mileage.
This has the 2005 chassis number so one of the last 996 Turbos of the production line.

We have priced this sensibly compared to the market as spring is not quite with us yet.
I doubt there will be many below 40k in the spring.


Checks calendar... Floor Oh why do sales folk set themselves up for this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghianightmare wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why he is selling it a year after a considerable investment in the engine.... while he says he has many cars and can’t keep them all, it would be interesting to know what he is keeping if the 3.9 is being sold!

Is it just me? Is it not a little strange?



Interestingly I often find bikes or cars that have an engine rebuild with capacity increase often seem to be up for sale about a year later.
I wonder whether the thrill of better performance wanes after that period and it’s the same vehicle underneath? Usually for the same money as the old vehicle and rebuild cost you can buy something more modern with better feel and more performance. Having said that if the car was damaged then it needs to be repaired first or sold for less
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heed wrote:
997 Coast wrote:
I would punt for this for around the same money.

https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2773



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A car we have sold a number of times in lovely condition inside and out with FSH from new and not stratospheric mileage.
This has the 2005 chassis number so one of the last 996 Turbos of the production line.

We have priced this sensibly compared to the market as spring is not quite with us yet.
I doubt there will be many below 40k in the spring.


Checks calendar... Floor Oh why do sales folk set themselves up for this?


Looks like the middle of winter here right now.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
He's had the car 5.5 years and fancies a change. He's been considering selling since December. Can't see what's strange about it. Last year cylinder 6 showed signs of scoring diagnosed by Hartech. He decided to have a full rebuild and was given the option of going to 3.9 so he took it.
Sounds like a decent guy who did the right thing to me. Would it be preferable if he'd not had the rebuild, then off loaded it as a trade in to a non Porsche dealer who'd then sell it on to an unsuspecting buyer and end up as a horror story on here like we keep reading? Dont know

Sounds like a good all round chap to me who knows his stuff (reading the description on PH and some of his other posts in the FB 996 owners group).


I'm not questioning the integrity of the owner or the car, just that using my man math depreciation curve it would be better to keep it for a couple of years... but then again man maths can justify selling after a year if there is a new toy to be acquired!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man maths can justify anything you like, that is why it is so good. Thumb
I agree it does seem a little odd, but I am sure it makes sense to the owner.

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