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Robertb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Is this a real GT3 RS? Reply with quote

Not a great expert on these things, but this is surely a GT3 rather than an RS...? Seems a good price if its the real deal...

https://www.thboler.com/used-cars/8297523-porsche-911-gt3-rs/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's unusual to see one in white and/or with no decals but it looks genuine to me.

The Gen1 997 cars didn't look much different to the standard GT3.

See -> https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-911-gt3-rs-2006-review/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No RS door pulls.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pzero wrote:
No RS door pulls.


Clocks show GT3. I don't know whether the RS would show as GT3RS. Dont know

THE biggest difference is whether it's wide bodied or not and it's difficult to tell from those photos.

The asking price does seem nearer to standard GT3 but I wondered whether that was more to do with it being a LHD car.

I'll leave it to the experts from now on but at the end of the day if it's not an RS it's shocking mis-representation from the dealer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pzero wrote:
No RS door pulls.

All the Gen 1 pics I've seen don't have the door pull. This car is confusing as you'd expect it to still be a £100k car as this is what they're pulling on the continent. Confusing as everytime I've seen that car I dismissed it as wrong description. Chassis number would confirm it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, it does look like it is a genuine RS.

If you look at details like the door pulls and tacho "GT3" markings, they are all the same as on this (I assume to be genuine) GT£ RS at an OPC: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-997/porsche-911-997-gt-coupe-gt3-rs-2dr/9656366

Quite rare in white the RS.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks wide body in photos, and side skirts are correct for wide body. Clock showing GT3 is normal, I’d say original RS white was PTS on the 7.1 so very rare colour
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the badge on the bonnet of an RS a sticker. That one looks like a raised badge.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too good to be true is all that's stopped me buying it! Are the buckets right though????
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buckets look correct for 7.1
Door pulls correct for 7.1 only 7.2 had fabric pulls
Bonnet badge correct for 7.1 sticker on 996 RS

Car looks correct, it's a basic spec and left hand drive which I expect seller has priced for. Don't know the car personally but it all looks good in the pics
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks correct to me, and if it all checks out then a good price.

The photo isn't that clear but it does look as though the PCCBs are pretty worn, especially considering the mileage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks fine to me. Interior is difficult to judge as the original buyer could spec changes inside. I’d inspect the car in person as photos are not ideal especially the brake discs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what does it say on the white sticker on the bonnet?

RS coding should be there. i think its 002 or 004

the rear window should be lexan which is a classic RS thing. reduced weight.

Gen 1s don't have the RS door pulls nor the sticker badge on bonnet.

suspension pick up points will be different on the RS to normal GT3 (i think!)

should have a fire extinguisher in the passenger seat too (mates has a black orange 7.1 RS)

if the discs are shot they will be rough to the touch and there should be a 50p sized dark shape on the discs which means they are worn and need changing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s a gen 1 RS.

Priced about right to sell a LHD in the UK. Put steels on and drive it..
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
It’s a gen 1 RS.

Priced about right to sell a LHD in the UK. Put steels on and drive it..


Leave the ceramics on and drive it! From the pics those are fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still confused on the price, comparing to this, ok Viper is the holy grail, but 25k more with twice the miles?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-997/porsche-911-gt3-rs--lhd--viper-green--original-paint-from-factory/9788728
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Still confused on the price, comparing to this, ok Viper is the holy grail, but 25k more with twice the miles?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-997/porsche-911-gt3-rs--lhd--viper-green--original-paint-from-factory/9788728


Octane Collection are renown I think for their 'aspirational' pricing, but even so that does seem a big difference...

To me, the subtle look of the white one with no scripts etc gives it additional rarity.

Hard to imagine that not appreciating over the years, given it is a proper homologation RS.
So, my 4S in PX, finance the rest, with a balloon of £70k in 5 yrs. What could possibly go wrong... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like all the right noises - get it bought
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT3GT3 wrote:
Sounds like all the right noises - get it bought


food food

YKIMS, BUY IT! Do the man maths. You could tour Europe several times in Whitey and still not reach the miles on greeney. You’d have to use the LHD of course, be mad not too.
Still think there’s a catch somewhere Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
what does it say on the white sticker on the bonnet?

RS coding should be there. i think its 002 or 004


997's don't have bonnet stickers, nor are the suspension pick up different between GT3 or RS. The LCA should be adjustable front and rear on the RS which is the only difference I'm aware of on the 7.1 cars
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