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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:48 pm    Post subject: GT3 Prices Reply with quote

Afternoon all, I currently own a 997.2 C4S, great car but fancy a GT3 probably the end of the year financially is viable. My budget would be £70k to £100k. Looking around this would seem to bring in to play 997.1, 997.2 or even possibly a 991.1 GT3.

Obviously aware these cars are very spec/mileage sensitive but where is the market at the moment for these GT3 models? Thanks for your help.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991 is probably the more volatile of the 3 models listed. I burn for a 997.2 GT3RS so always keep an eye on the Gt3 market by proxy. There seems to be a few cars on the market that have been there a while, from people who may have bought high and are hoping for a sucker PPI's as always a must and cost everything up as part of your negotiating package from the results of the PPI
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: GT3 Prices Reply with quote

Lenny39 wrote:
Afternoon all, I currently own a 997.2 C4S, great car but fancy a GT3 probably the end of the year financially is viable. My budget would be £70k to £100k. Looking around this would seem to bring in to play 997.1, 997.2 or even possibly a 991.1 GT3.

Obviously aware these cars are very spec/mileage sensitive but where is the market at the moment for these GT3 models? Thanks for your help.


IMHO the 991.1 is probably the current bargain in the 911 world (presuming your ok with PDK) The engine problems leading to a rock solid 10 year engine warranty is another bonus in my book, and a 991 is so much more usable than a 997 Thumb No idea where prices are going mind...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a related note, I notice 991.2 GT3 prices have started to shift. Some decent low mileage examples now for sub £150k.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.1 GT3 prices have softened considerably in the last 6 months since I started looking. Some sub £100 cars (RHD) now. £110 buys you a sub 10K miles minter. Fallen £10-12K on the lower end.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more knowledgeable & longer I have owned a 911 the more I started thinking the ultimate is a GTS 991.1 now I'm thinking past that to a 991.1 GT3 one day Question
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamster75 wrote:
The more knowledgeable & longer I have owned a 911 the more I started thinking the ultimate is a GTS 991.1 now I'm thinking past that to a 991.1 GT3 one day Question


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sday12 wrote:
991.1 GT3 prices have softened considerably in the last 6 months since I started looking. Some sub £100 cars (RHD) now. £110 buys you a sub 10K miles minter. Fallen £10-12K on the lower end.


I am with Sday12 and think the 991 have dropped quite a lot. I hanker after a GT3 RS although would rather have a 997. The 991s are too big for country roads and to all intents and purposes (I have not driven one) seem to be a little to clinical and cosetted. Fine if that is what you want although personally I think it defeats the purpose for driving a road going track car.

I cannot imagine you would lose much more on a 991 and 996 may be over priced. 997 also seem good value although expensive compared to the £100k 991s if you hanker after a newer car.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pip1968 wrote:
sday12 wrote:
991.1 GT3 prices have softened considerably in the last 6 months since I started looking. Some sub £100 cars (RHD) now. £110 buys you a sub 10K miles minter. Fallen £10-12K on the lower end.


I am with Sday12 and think the 991 have dropped quite a lot. I hanker after a GT3 RS although would rather have a 997. The 991s are too big for country roads and to all intents and purposes (I have not driven one) seem to be a little to clinical and cosetted. Fine if that is what you want although personally I think it defeats the purpose for driving a road going track car.

I cannot imagine you would lose much more on a 991 and 996 may be over priced. 997 also seem good value although expensive compared to the £100k 991s if you hanker after a newer car.

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My old car : https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-996/porsche-911-996-gt3-------------------1999/9768831

at £57K (less whatever you can haggle it down by, so say £54K), is where the Mk1 996 GT3 with average miles and decent spec should be, and at this price point it makes any 964/993 C2 Coupe look spectacularly bad value for money.

The Autostore LHD 100K mile Manthey K400 car is still overpriced IMO.

Mk2 996 GT3 prices need to be at £60K and Gen 1 997 GT3's at £65K. Maybe £5K more for the best of the best, low miles Clubsports.

Dealers who bought 996/997 GT3 stock in at inflated prices (or with cars on SOR) are being stubborn, and the cars aren't shifting as a result. The School Garage Mk 1 and the Park Lane Mk1's are skewing the market badly, as is the example at 911Box.

Interesting to see even sales of the hallowed 996 GT3 RS have stalled now too.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pip1968 wrote:
sday12 wrote:
991.1 GT3 prices have softened considerably in the last 6 months since I started looking. Some sub £100 cars (RHD) now. £110 buys you a sub 10K miles minter. Fallen £10-12K on the lower end.


I am with Sday12 and think the 991 have dropped quite a lot. I hanker after a GT3 RS although would rather have a 997. The 991s are too big for country roads and to all intents and purposes (I have not driven one) seem to be a little to clinical and cosetted. Fine if that is what you want although personally I think it defeats the purpose for driving a road going track car.

I cannot imagine you would lose much more on a 991 and 996 may be over priced. 997 also seem good value although expensive compared to the £100k 991s if you hanker after a newer car.

Pip


Ok so it was overpriced but this has been cut by 24k Surprised

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-gt3-pdk/7409691
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for the GT3, I am a convert and the four wheel steer and epic engine are wonderful. When I budgeted to buy the 991.1 I factored in the DSC module for a faster reacting suspension (more compliant in normal and harder in track) and reverse camera along with an up rated exhaust (stage 2 Brooke race exhaust....it sounds like a cup car but is still valved if you have sensitive neighbours).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slippydiff wrote:
Pip1968 wrote:
sday12 wrote:
991.1 GT3 prices have softened considerably in the last 6 months since I started looking. Some sub £100 cars (RHD) now. £110 buys you a sub 10K miles minter. Fallen £10-12K on the lower end.


I am with Sday12 and think the 991 have dropped quite a lot. I hanker after a GT3 RS although would rather have a 997. The 991s are too big for country roads and to all intents and purposes (I have not driven one) seem to be a little to clinical and cosetted. Fine if that is what you want although personally I think it defeats the purpose for driving a road going track car.

I cannot imagine you would lose much more on a 991 and 996 may be over priced. 997 also seem good value although expensive compared to the £100k 991s if you hanker after a newer car.

Pip


My old car : https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-996/porsche-911-996-gt3-------------------1999/9768831

at £57K (less whatever you can haggle it down by, so say £54K), is where the Mk1 996 GT3 with average miles and decent spec should be, and at this price point it makes any 964/993 C2 Coupe look spectacularly bad value for money.

The Autostore LHD 100K mile Manthey K400 car is still overpriced IMO.

Mk2 996 GT3 prices need to be at £60K and Gen 1 997 GT3's at £65K. Maybe £5K more for the best of the best, low miles Clubsports.

Dealers who bought 996/997 GT3 stock in at inflated prices (or with cars on SOR) are being stubborn, and the cars aren't shifting as a result. The School Garage Mk 1 and the Park Lane Mk1's are skewing the market badly, as is the example at 911Box.

Interesting to see even sales of the hallowed 996 GT3 RS have stalled now too.


The one at 911 Box is lovely,(at least external conditio0n wise) I went to have a look at it a couple of months ago

I said to them at the time that they were asking strong money for it, but they didn't seem to think is was expensive or overpriced at all
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you were being extraordinarily polite using the term “strong” in relation to their pricing !!!

At this moment in time only the creme de la creme of Mk 1’s ie Clubsport, original panel/paint, strong colour, low miles cars (with or without some well regarded modifications) are at that price point, Iris doesn’t tick the strong colour box, neither does the Park Lane car, and the School Garage car has a Tequipment cage and no Nomex seats, so fairly safe to assume it’s not a Clubsport.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this was a little cheaper I’d be sorely tempted.....but do I trade in the Macan and daily the GTS or vice versa?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr-pdk/9773670
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.2GTS wrote:
If this was a little cheaper I’d be sorely tempted.....but do I trade in the Macan and daily the GTS or vice versa?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr-pdk/9773670


I know no one has a crystal ball but how well would that car hold it’s value?

I can’t really afford a £150k car in terms of what I earn, but I have a buy to let that I’m thinking of selling.

You only live once and I turned 40 last year.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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991.2GTS wrote:
If this was a little cheaper I’d be sorely tempted.....but do I trade in the Macan and daily the GTS or vice versa?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr-pdk/9773670


I know no one has a crystal ball but how well would that car hold it’s value?

I can’t really afford a £150k car in terms of what I earn, but I have a buy to let that I’m thinking of selling.

You only live once and I turned 40 last year.


Good luck selling the property. I’ve had a property on the market for four months without a sniff. I’m going to give it until the end of August then rent it out.

As regards the GT3, prices have been falling a little of late, and as the 992 GT3 gets closer more cars will hit the market, and create more downward pressure. I’m not sure what to do, I have an itch I want to scratch, but the dream was always to spec my own and maybe even PTS. But that seems unlikely, so paying overs looks like the only option. Although we’re getting closer to list on some of the examples available.

I’m going to Frankfurt in September to see the launch of the Taycan, so I’ll probably wait to see what’s announced there. Almost certainly won’t be the 992 GT3, but The Turbo and Turbo S might be unveiled.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kev.K wrote:
991.2GTS wrote:
If this was a little cheaper I’d be sorely tempted.....but do I trade in the Macan and daily the GTS or vice versa?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr-pdk/9773670


I know no one has a crystal ball but how well would that car hold it’s value?

I can’t really afford a £150k car in terms of what I earn, but I have a buy to let that I’m thinking of selling.

You only live once and I turned 40 last year.


Good luck selling the property. I’ve had a property on the market for four months without a sniff. I’m going to give it until the end of August then rent it out.

As regards the GT3, prices have been falling a little of late, and as the 992 GT3 gets closer more cars will hit the market, and create more downward pressure. I’m not sure what to do, I have an itch I want to scratch, but the dream was always to spec my own and maybe even PTS. But that seems unlikely, so paying overs looks like the only option. Although we’re getting closer to list on some of the examples available.

I’m going to Frankfurt in September to see the launch of the Taycan, so I’ll probably wait to see what’s announced there. Almost certainly won’t be the 992 GT3, but The Turbo and Turbo S might be unveiled.


It’s a detached bungalow in a area with not many bungalows, so I think it would sell. I wouldn’t bother with a agent.

I’d want to keep the car for a few years so a 991.1 gt3 scares me a bit. Not that long left on those 10 year warranties.

I’d jump at the chance of a new one even if I had to wait a while. I know that would never happen though.

I think I will wait until the 992 gt3 is announced and see what happens with prices.

991.2 gt3 would be a dream for me. Can’t afford a RS.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Ok so it was overpriced but this has been cut by 24k Surprised

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-gt3-pdk/7409691


The downside is that it's hardly been used in 5 years. So a new set of tyres, a full service including spark plugs, engine and gearbox oil is hardly going to be cheap! On top of the purchase price! Then add warranty .....

That mob held out, greedily, for the highest possible "overs" price (years ago) and nobody bought it - so they deserve not to sell it now they've missed the boat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

997.1 GT3 Clubsport listed in JZM yesterday according to their social media. It's a Clubsport but on steel not PCCB, 34k miles,just under £80k. Already shows as reserved....
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kev.K wrote:
991.2GTS wrote:
If this was a little cheaper I’d be sorely tempted.....but do I trade in the Macan and daily the GTS or vice versa?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr-pdk/9773670


I know no one has a crystal ball but how well would that car hold it’s value?

I can’t really afford a £150k car in terms of what I earn, but I have a buy to let that I’m thinking of selling.

You only live once and I turned 40 last year.


It's funny seeing this come up as that's sort of the position I'm in.
Do I:

Trade the 997 for a gen.2 GT3
Sell the rental AND trade the 997 for a gen.2 GT3RS
Sell the rental & trade the 997 for a 991 GT3RS or touring?

Obviously this is based on taking a punt selling one investment & banking on the potential GT3 going up in value as well as getting some fun out of it...

I know buying a car as an investment is lunacy, but still very tempting.

Help!

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