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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:58 pm    Post subject: My '99 C4 bastard Reply with quote

Here is my '99 Carrera 4 / 3.6 X51, Arctic Silver with Metropol Blau interior. I got the car in august 2017, and have been enjoying it as a summer/weekend car ever since.







The engine was replaced with a 3.6L X51 about 31.000 miles ago. The gearbox was overhauled in 2015, and the car itself is generally in a good condition. Lowering springs from Gemballa have also been fitted, these provide the perfect blend between ride height and handling. I've also replaced the stock mufflers with a pair of FVD "Brombacher" TÜV-approved ones, which proved to be spot on - especially since I'm planning to get 200CPI cats later.

Cosmetically, there are a few marks here and there, but nothing extraordinary if you consider the age and mileage of the car, and the fact that it has been a DD earlier in its life. It drives and handles great, and the sound from the flat-six makes me smile every time (especially with those FVD cans).

Future plans:
-Respray the "frunk"
-Aero kit (yes, I like it!)
-200CPI cats (not X-pipes, straight version from TopGear)
-997 shifter mechanism
-Phone delete

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks lovely Thumb

Very cool having a X51 engine in the (imo) much prettier first gen car. (clearly I’m biased too!)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good looking car Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sackerley wrote:
Looks lovely Thumb

Very cool having a X51 engine in the (imo) much prettier first gen car. (clearly I’m biased too!)


The gen 1 is prettier. I have no bias on this. I have a 1998 gen 1 with orange lights, a 2001 with clear lights, and a gen 2 2004 turbo. The early gen 1 looks superb.
I prefer the earlier 3.4 x51 engine. I am biased on that....

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, gentlemen Laughing
Yes, it's a bit of a rarity. Funny how the 996.1 has grown on me too. When I first got the car, I was thinking that I should have opted for a gen. 2, but now I'm very glad I got the gen. 1. Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:

The gen 1 is prettier. I have no bias on this. I have a 1998 gen 1 with orange lights, a 2001 with clear lights, and a gen 2 2004 turbo. The early gen 1 looks superb.
I prefer the earlier 3.4 x51 engine. I am biased on that....
MC

The 3.4 x51 is probably more useful while daily driving. I've never driven one, but if I remember correctly, it has the extra torque lower down in the rev-range. The 3.6 X51 is all about higher revs - but it does put a grin on my face when it opens up Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested in how they fitted the later engine to the earlier cars. Do you know what was done with the wiring and ECU? Was that all swapped as well?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with MC, the Gen I is a fine looking motor, especially yours - nice and low.

I'm guessing they must have done some work with the ECU, Boschtronic, whatever, stuff to make it work?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I suggest you do an Amberectomy (removing the orange filer from your light unit). Will give the front end a much more monochrome and modern look, especially in that Silver.

Like so:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely wouldn't mind an x51 in my 99 c4
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinny_monkey wrote:
Definitely wouldn't mind an x51 in my 99 c4


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
May I suggest you do an Amberectomy (removing the orange filer from your light unit). Will give the front end a much more monochrome and modern look, especially in that Silver.

Like so:



How does one do this, Alex? Is there a ‘home-brew’ method?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice VV!
I’m also interested in what else they had to do to get it working. Import the later Motronic I’m guessing?

Perfect combo though, the purer Mk1 shape with the much better sounding 3.6 engine. One of the main reasons I wasn’t totally happy with my 3.4 was due to the fact I knew I’d never get it sounding as good as I’d really like.

I look forward to more updates. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The return of Marty Wild wrote:

How does one do this, Alex? Is there a ‘home-brew’ method?


Yes, with a soldering iron:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=108706

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=45277
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you again, gentlemen. An "amberectomy" is a splendid idea, as it will no doubt make the car look even cleaner. I'll definitely look into it! Is there a DIY writeup I can read in order to not f*** up my Litronics at the first attempt? Edit: just saw the URLs posted above Smile

Regarding the 3.6 transplant: everything from the harness to the ECU/DME-unit is fitted in order to make the VarioCam function as intended. It's been years since I've heard a 3.4 "in the flesh", but I reckon it's a bit quieter than the 3.6 even in stock trim. As mentioned, I also fitted the FVD Brombacher exhaust (https://www.fvd.net/de-en/BES99605001S/sport-mufflers-996-brombacher-tuv-version.html), which turned out to be the right choice for me. No droning, not obnoxiously loud, no "ricer rasp", just pure flat-six sound. I imagine it'll be even sweeter with a set of 200CPI cats from TopGear. Cheers!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're gonna fit in well round here mate thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
You're gonna fit in well round here mate thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting engine swap V.V thanks for all the great pics.

As you may have read on this forum it seems there are intentions to make use of noise sensitive roadside cameras to catch vehicles exceeding whatever decibels the system decides as breaching applicable regulation.

I know little of TUV regs, though from a poor memory I seem to think that they can apply relative to any modification from the original equipment used in the design and construction of any motor vehicle...? That possibly being the case it would seem that your non original silencers having been TUV approved, will create no risk of issues should the roadside sound seeking systems become part of the EU`s monitoring of the masses.. Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sound camera thing is a UK initiative - it's not an EU thing.

It's also a non-issue, I suspect - the article that the BBC published said that these would be for (essentially) very loud motorcycles in built up areas.

Areas, not to put too fine a point on it, where I'm in third gear with a very small throttle opening, so even in a car that scored 105 dB at Brands Hatch, I'm making hardly any noise.

= if you get caught by one of these sound-penalty-cameras then you deserve it, and you'd need to be in the UK for it to happen to you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TÜV regulations are actually stricter than Norwegian regulations, so basically you can get away with most aftermarket parts as long as they are branded "TÜV approved" or carry a specific TÜV certificate.

Sounds like the UK government is going all in to make life hard for petrolheads? Cop Rolling Eyes
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