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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject: Sold 997.2 c2 thinking gts Reply with quote

Hi folks,
Anyone gone 3.6 c2 to gts ? Enjoyed the c2 for 2 years.. great car except the sowing machine engine noise and dare i say it in general a wee bit hum-drum... was thinking gt3 but love pdk... so gts could be the ticket. Will i notice the extra 40 hp.. do they offer a greater sense of occasion (lower stance... centre locks.. alcantara.. paddle shift) or will i be disappointed with the +£20k premium.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Sold 997.2 c2 thinking gts Reply with quote

adi7 wrote:


Will i notice the extra 40 hp..

do they offer a greater sense of occasion (lower stance... centre locks.. alcantara.. paddle shift)

or will i be disappointed with the +£20k premium.



Yes, Yes and Dont know

It's a big premium to pay for a car that on the face of it is quite similar but I know of several people that have done it. Only you can decide if it's worth it to you.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These threads have a familiar theme. Those that paid the premium say the car is worth the extra. Those of us that never felt it was and didn’t stump up the extra continue to voice that view.

I think the problem is that it’s a great car that is probably worth an extra £10k, say, but trades at plus £20k. If you have the extra in your pocket, you can’t go wrong. It’ll come back later when you sell it. For me, the price gap widened over the 6 years and I never made the jump.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Magic. Objectively, the GTS probably isn't worth a £20k premium over the Carrera, but if the market maintains that gap, and you have the cash available, then go for it.
Unless you dislike alcantara, like I do. Much prefer leather, but most GTS's have all this furry stuff everywhere. Ruins it for me, but I think I'm in a minority on that one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997.1 Turbo gets my vote, plenty of oomph and no fury nonsense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or what about a 991.1 as starting to overlap in price with a 997.2 GTS Question
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it more like a 60bhp difference between a C2 (345bhp) and a GTS (405bhp?).

You'll definitely notice it. I also think the GTS will feel much nicer as an ownership proposition.

Am just not convinced about the 20k premium.

A GT3 would be markedly different but depending on your intended use might not be the best. Also more money again (by quite a chunk).

A normal 'S' gives you 40bhp more. Would be available with PDK and if you were careful about the options you look for etc could easily feel different enough to give that special feeling again. And is unlikely to run you a 20k difference.

Really depends what you're after.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My perspective on this is sort of in reverse. I got the GTS because in the past I always went for the bare spec, best value for money choice, so this time and it being my first Porsche, I wanted to treat myself.

Every single time I see a similar 4S I think I should have saved a lot of cash and gone for something that looks and feels very similar. More importantly, I would personally (and this is really a matter of personal opinion) feel that the 4S was as special every time I looked at it.

The GTS is very nice don't get me wrong, I love it to bits. But I think I would have loved a 4S and two honeymoons just as much!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has made me glad I’m not the only one. I’ve seen so many GTS threads where everybody seems to see the value and I’m left scratching my head. Clearly those people are out there (and on here) because the market maintains the gap but I’m glad I’m not in a complete minority of one Smile

PS - nothing against the GTS, it’s the top of that range and it’s great, just the price delta
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

icekay wrote:
My perspective on this is sort of in reverse. I got the GTS because in the past I always went for the bare spec, best value for money choice, so this time and it being my first Porsche, I wanted to treat myself.

Every single time I see a similar 4S I think I should have saved a lot of cash and gone for something that looks and feels very similar. More importantly, I would personally (and this is really a matter of personal opinion) feel that the 4S was as special every time I looked at it.

The GTS is very nice don't get me wrong, I love it to bits. But I think I would have loved a 4S and two honeymoons just as much!


Then why not trade down now, can’t have lost anything, just locked up in your illiquid asset, no?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly bought at the height of the market so not financially wise to trade down now!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the appeal of a GTS and underhand the hype. Not sure on the 20k premium but, as with Porsche, value is so often now dictated by scarcity.

My personal view is that it doesn’t get purer than a manual C2 narrowbody. I just enjoy the simplicity of the concept and the fact that there’s quite a lot to work with (in terms of the 3.6 litres available, standard suspension set-up and overall build quality/ components etc) whilst still providing all the enjoyment a 911 has to offer.

Sorry, a bit off topic there. Go get a GTS if funds dictate as you obviously sold the C2 for a reason.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your thoughts... 20k premium on paper is just part of the crazy porsche / semi scare model world. (2.7rs worth £1m etc). No rush... but if anyone knows of one for sale privately (after 4off 911s getting tired of the dealer premium) i would be very interested.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ911 wrote:
Or what about a 991.1 as starting to overlap in price with a 997.2 GTS Question


I went from a 991.1 4s to a 997 GTS.
The GTS is definitely more driver focused car than the 991 in my opinion.
991 is a great car but they just don't feel as nimble or raw as the 997s.
Out of the few 911s I've owned the GTS is going to be long term keeper for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sadly bought at the height of the market so not financially wise to trade down now!


Has the GTS market specifically moved down then? The C2 I bought 4 years ago looks to sit at the same price now (possibly more now if the mileage had stayed the same) and the Turbo I bought two years ago is also flat/up a bit.

Sales prices not sold prices but I’m comparing the list price then to list price now so apples-apples and all that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars at around 20k miles were trading at the 60-70k bracket about a year and a half ago, similar examples today have asking prices between 50-60k. There are of course some that deviate from this either due to mileage or trader, but generally speaking the prices have come down a fair bit.

I think the GTS works as an emotional purchase, as you know you're getting a car with most if not all of the toys, a bit more power and rarity, generally a mature package. When one starts focusing on whether they are worth 20k more then it becomes a tricky issue. Maybe my initial post came across as if I had huge regret for getting the GTS which is not the case, but if I was buying again today I would seriously consider something else.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would look at getting a lower miles 4s and then spend an amount of money personalising it a bit more! A small amount of leather retrimming - seats, centre consol, pdk surround, steering wheel to spruce up the interior, maybe some lowering springs and you have a much better proposition that twill feel special imo!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icekay wrote:
Cars at around 20k miles were trading at the 60-70k bracket about a year and a half ago, similar examples today have asking prices between 50-60k.


That is not what I've been seeing.

Even a quick search on pistonheads shows that this is not the case. IMO prices haven't budged too much, if at all, since the end of last year and are still holding mid 60-70k's.

That's without even looking at the options they have, whether they are cabs and all bar one are all arguably boring grey Razz

The only aside is a CAT D car.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2913&MileageTo=25000&SortOptions=PriceLowToHigh&YearFrom=2010&YearTo=2011
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another example

https://www.paragongb.com/353/porsche-for-sale/porsche-carrera-4-gts-for-sale-sg61ych
 
  
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