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Gizmo750
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Thinking of selling - what are the recommended routes? Reply with quote

So, I am thinking of changing the 997 Gen II for a 991. I was looking for a bit of input from you all as to the best route to go down. As I see the options they are:

- Part exchange (simple but low return)
- Private sale (potential best return but most time wasted)
- We Buy Any Car (quickest, easiest but lowest return)

Has anyone had any experience of the new service like Tootle?

Car is good spec and has Porsche Warranty until December, might this make finding a private buyer easier or is it still very hard to find for a £30k car?

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d give the usual suspects a call rather than WBAC. If you really want something like WBAC, Evans Halshaw usually offer more. I’ve read good reports of Tootle, but never used them. My last car went to 911V to improve on P/X figure and I’ll probably try them again.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the recent horror stories on here I'd still consider the 'Sale or Return' route as the dealer would do all the legwork and you'd get a far better return.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd consider discussing with an OPC as they get double dip on making money. Worth a try
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, I think its a little too high on the miles for an OPC as it has just ticked over 70,000. Shame as its full OPC history and always been under warranty.
Serves me right for actually using it daily I guess.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gizmo750 wrote:
Unfortunately, I think its a little too high on the miles for an OPC as it has just ticked over 70,000. Shame as its full OPC history and always been under warranty.
Serves me right for actually using it daily I guess.

They will have a glut of 991s coming in against 992s, so you may be pleasantly surprised if you're trying to get into a 991. An hour of your time can't hurt in my books
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPC Floor

Prepare yourself for a severe kick in the wotsnames if you go that route.

Also, there's no 'glut' of 991s coming anytime soon and any that the OPCs can get their hands on will be keenly priced in their favour.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
OPC Floor

Prepare yourself for a severe kick in the wotsnames if you go that route.

Also, there's no 'glut' of 991s coming anytime soon and any that the OPCs can get their hands on will be keenly priced in their favour.


+1 on the glut, not sure where they all are especially the cheap ones Grin might be some 991.2’s out there but who wants them Dont know Grin

OPC worth a try, but 10:1 says it’s a waste of time. Personally with the warranty I’d look for a private sale, but high miles mean lower prices, sure you already know that though... nooo
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmund Cars seem well regarded on here for SOR Bandit Cop

Joking apart, my brother used Tootle to sell a 987, seemed happy.
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TonyC911
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not try selling it privately? What have you got to lose? Dont know

I am also thinking of snapping up a cheap 991. I very recently listed my Gen1 997S 73k miles with OPC Warranty on here and on PistonHeads, initially I just wanted to gauge interest, but it sold within 2 weeks! I had people queuing up to see it, the first guy to view it drove it away the same day! For the new owner, he was only considering cars that had a warranty, so that is a real plus point for your car!

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Gizmo750, I am just in the middle of selling my Gen 2; here's my thoughts. The key point is that it's a buyer's market - there are plenty of cars for a buyer to choose from - and that means your car needs to stand out.
In a private sale (as opposed to p/ex) there are three ways to stand out:
1) price....if it's cheap enough it will sell. Look at the cars on Autotrader, Ebay, PH and here to get a feel for the prices being asked. Your buyer will want at least £1k off the advertised price however. Plus you'll get chancers offering £25k and an iPhone!
2) mileage.......low miles is crucial in Porsche world, it's what everyone wants. At 70k miles you'll struggle to compete I'm afraid.
3) spec and service history...........this is the good news. A Porsche warranty is very attractive to buyers. I presume the car has OPC service history, which again is what buyers want, despite Porsche specialists being superior to most OPC's. Make sure you really emphasise the warranty.

My experience of p/ex wasn't good. Dealers want a 15 to 20% margin on a used sale price, so if they retailed your car at, say, £38k they'd only pay you £32k maximum - OPC's less than that.

As for SOR, I would be VERY careful about handing my car to a third party unless they had a cast iron reputation (911Virgin or JZM for example).

Finally, if you do get a private buyer, they may (rightly enough) be very fussy. Be prepared for an inspection, test drive (with them in the passenger seat) and lots of questions! And be prepared for "buyers" who aren't really serious - there's a lot of clowns out there. Anyone who calls you "bruv" should be instantly dismissed!
Good luck; Mike.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sold my BMW to We Buy Any Car last year. It was new when I got it so obvs lost a fair whack. I found them to actually be offering the best money! It was really rather odd. Being so new (1 year old) I had to find three grand as was in negative equity. I found WBAC to be bloomin’ superb to deal with (Tunbridge Wells). The whole thing took an hour! If you just want to get rid of a car sharpish or can’t be bothered with the private sale tripe then that may be a good route.

Although private sales can work expect some legwork; my 993 went privately but there was some running around initially. As someone else said, private buyers can be fussy and need their expectations managed. Although it comes with the territory as many prospective private buyers are buying into the Porsche thing at their own expense (cash funds), so to be expected, especially if it’s their first Porsche.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife and i tried to sell her Evoque last year when she moved over to a new Discovery Sport and i tried a few routes, I had it on Ebay as a private sale but got nothing more than silly offers by mail over the 4 weeks it was on. I also tried 4x4 specialists who buys second hand cars to sell on but in the end we took it to WBAC as this was the best deal (better than the part ex) and like others have said only took an hour to do. I think the problem these days is that so many people buy cars on PCP deals and only a few of us actually buy cars outright hence why its hard to sell privately as this is something a private seller cant offer.

If you do go down the WBAC route you will find their offers will fluctuate so try a few times over a number of weeks with your different email addresses, also if you get a valuation and then don't log on for a week sometimes they will mail you with an increased offer. Also if you do make an appointment have a chat with the branch first as i did a little deal with my branch that if i phoned through for the appointment rather than making it on line then they would give me the top valuation they could rather than hustling you a bit with the bracket they are given. Know doubt they are not supposed to do this but i think the commission must be higher if the branch gets the appointment and sale so its worth an ask.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sold two 911s and both of them went to dealers, first to Portiacraft and second to Ashgood.

In both cases I put the car up privately for £1-1.5k more than the dealer's bid and didn't have any luck. But they both sold within two weeks after being up for >£5k more at the dealers!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thefinn wrote:
My wife and i tried to sell her Evoque last year when she moved over to a new Discovery Sport and i tried a few routes, I had it on Ebay as a private sale but got nothing more than silly offers by mail over the 4 weeks it was on. I also tried 4x4 specialists who buys second hand cars to sell on but in the end we took it to WBAC as this was the best deal (better than the part ex) and like others have said only took an hour to do. I think the problem these days is that so many people buy cars on PCP deals and only a few of us actually buy cars outright hence why its hard to sell privately as this is something a private seller cant offer.

If you do go down the WBAC route you will find their offers will fluctuate so try a few times over a number of weeks with your different email addresses, also if you get a valuation and then don't log on for a week sometimes they will mail you with an increased offer. Also if you do make an appointment have a chat with the branch first as i did a little deal with my branch that if i phoned through for the appointment rather than making it on line then they would give me the top valuation they could rather than hustling you a bit with the bracket they are given. Know doubt they are not supposed to do this but i think the commission must be higher if the branch gets the appointment and sale so its worth an ask.


They always up the offer by email. Normally 500 quid. Problem is with WBAC, the car needs to be like new, otherwise they pick up on every minor detail to reduce the price.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sold the best part of £200k of cars to traders in the last 4 years.
After decades of only buying and selling privately.

Private sales are dead, few buyers around.

The last car was sold on Tootle in 8 minutes of advertising, the buyer was delighted, paid my full asking.

I got a WBAC price, which was about £3.5k below retail prices, popped it up on tootle for about £1,500 more than WBAC and it sold.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thata whats im.planning for the next couple years!! From a gen 1 997 straight to the 991...

Goodluck!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I would encourage you to try and sell it privately. It's not fair to compare selling run of the mill cars with a 997 911, especially a Gen2 with an OPC warranty. These are desirable cars with Porsche enthusiasts, especially when you consider the low production numbers compared with the Gen1 and the fact that bore-scoring is rarely a consideration for most Gen2 buyers.

WBAC and dealer offers on my car were frankly insulting, because for them it is an emotionless transaction.

However, my recent private sale experience was painless. For the very first time in my 30 years of buying and selling cars, I actually managed to sell my (apparently high mileage Rolling Eyes ) 997S Gen1 within 2 weeks and for a small profit, after 3 years ownership! Smile

After all, if it doesn't sell you can always give it to a dealer, who will quickly make a good profit at your expense!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was recently offered £33k for my 997.2 from WBAC, £35.5K from an OPC and £38K from a trader. The first two were unseen but the £38K offer was seen and nearly turned me but I cannot find anything else to replace it with. The closest I've come sofar is a Mini GP2 but the spread on them is huge and there are very few good ones for sale.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice. I've added an advert on here for the car and will put one on Pistonheads as well and see how I get on.
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