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 Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:38 pm Post subject: F1 Canadian GP
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I wonder how long the debate on that stewards decision will go on for. 
Initially, like 99% of people, I thought it was farce and despite being a big LH fan thought Seb had been robbed.
With hindsight my thoughts are that Seb did gain an unfair advantage especially as at some circuits he would have hit a wall making that sort of mistake.
I also wonder if Ferrari had ordered Seb to give the place up straight away the stewards would have just let them race it out to the end. 
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pzero
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Not sure what else SV could have done.
Either way, LH couldn't get his claim in to the stewards any quicker than he did. Kind of negates his faux show of inviting SV onto the top step of the podium come presentation time.
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kurlykris
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Having watched Vettels in car cockpit footage over and over and over again, I`m convinced he deliberately rejoined the racing line in front of Hamilton and then squeezed him into the wall. Whatever the penalty, it robbed the fans of a fair and proper race to the finish line 
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Gray79
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:14 pm Post subject:
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Absolute farce in my opinion, I’m slowly but surely falling out of love with F1.  
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:21 pm Post subject:
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| kurlykris wrote: | | Having watched Vettels in car cockpit footage over and over and over again, I`m convinced he deliberately rejoined the racing line in front of Hamilton and then squeezed him into the wall. Whatever the penalty, it robbed the fans of a fair and proper race to the finish line |
Pretty much what LH said......
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Alex
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:36 pm Post subject:
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I didn't watch any of it and don't follow F1 much, but I did just watch Vettel Changing the boards round between 1st and 2nd on the 10 o' clock news 
On a different note, that Mishal Husain who does the news floats my boat. 
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T8
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:04 pm Post subject:
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| pzero wrote: |
Not sure what else SV could have done.
Either way, LH couldn't get his claim in to the stewards any quicker than he did. Kind of negates his faux show of inviting SV onto the top step of the podium come presentation time.
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SV did all he had to do to stop having a major accident but by doing so he did gain an advantage and I could understand it if that was why he got the penalty. The whole 'rejoining the track unsafely' thing seems a nonsense.
Regarding your second point - I can't disagree.
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I've just watched the race and my view is that for safety sake SV did the right thing. If he'd tried to hug the left hand side whilst rejoicing, there is a risk on spinning the car right in front of LH with all the crap that would have been on his tyres.
I was a racing incident with no penalty required. Ruined what would have been a decent race.
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Let's face it, if you have to give just one of them a slap, it would be a hard choice as for which one to pick.....
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^^^^^^^^ haha
I think Smelly Finger knew what he was doing, what any racer would have done, closed the door on him.
Yet again he folds under pressure from Lewis. Anyways, was a skanky win, should have just let them race on IMO.
Will all be forgotten in a few races time, by which time, i’ll take the win.
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pzero
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| mikeluke wrote: | | Let's face it, if you have to give just one of them a slap, it would be a hard choice as for which one to pick..... |
^^^^^^^
This.
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| pzero wrote: | | mikeluke wrote: | | Let's face it, if you have to give just one of them a slap, it would be a hard choice as for which one to pick..... |
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| Gray79 wrote: | | Absolute farce in my opinion, I’m slowly but surely falling out of love with F1. |
+1 
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peterzoom
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No doubt in my view that Seb made a mistake under pressure.
Lewis clearly had to back off as Seb rejoined the track.
So in my opinion, Lewis would have gone through and Seb would have had to chase him down if he wanted the position back, you know... like actually racing.
However Seb chose to open out the steering, kept his right foot in and left Lewis to make allowances for the red cars new trajectory. Seb knew Lewis was all over him just before his off and had every reason to know where Lewis was most likely to be on track. However he chose to act as if he were completely on his own with no regard for his competitor. Seb could and should have rejoined with more consideration for others, he made a mistake, there are consequences and if he doesn't recognise that, then that is precisely why the stewards had to step in.
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Albionmuz
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:52 am Post subject:
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| peterzoom wrote: | No doubt in my view that Seb made a mistake under pressure.
Lewis clearly had to back off as Seb rejoined the track.
So in my opinion, Lewis would have gone through and Seb would have had to chase him down if he wanted the position back, you know... like actually racing.
However Seb chose to open out the steering, kept his right foot in and left Lewis to make allowances for the red cars new trajectory. Seb knew Lewis was all over him just before his off and had every reason to know where Lewis was most likely to be on track. However he chose to act as if he were completely on his own with no regard for his competitor. Seb could and should have rejoined with more consideration for others, he made a mistake, there are consequences and if he doesn't recognise that, then that is precisely why the stewards had to step in. |
Yep, the stewards would have had the telemetry and if Seb kept his foot down rather than lifting it would explain why he struggled to control the car. If he’d lifted he could have kept to the left hand side of the track. There was plenty of room for two cars. I suggest he kept his foot down to ensure Hamilton couldn’t get past, hence the penalty.
I gather accelerating with the rear wheels on grass is generally a no no
Edit..or not
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/reason-vettel-punished-canada/4461461/
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:07 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for clarifying. The level of investigation they made explains why it took so long to announce the penalty.
I still wonder if Ferrari had instructed Seb to give the place to Lewis whether the stewards would have accepted that. It happens in other formula (eg. BTCC) and allows crowds to see proper racing.
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easternjets
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject:
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Makes a change for Ferrari to receive a penalty to the benefit of their closest rivals, it's generally always been Ferrari that have got away with bad behaviour. The incident in Baku being a glaring example of what not to do and I still feel SV should have been hauled over the coals for that one.
Watched the Hunt Lauda documentary the other night and the tricks that Ferrari played to get Hunt disqualified from winning the British GP were laughable but they got away with it.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:23 pm Post subject:
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| easternjets wrote: | Makes a change for Ferrari to receive a penalty to the benefit of their closest rivals, it's generally always been Ferrari that have got away with bad behaviour. The incident in Baku being a glaring example of what not to do and I still feel SV should have been hauled over the coals for that one.
Watched the Hunt Lauda documentary the other night and the tricks that Ferrari played to get Hunt disqualified from winning the British GP were laughable but they got away with it. |
Should 100% been black flagged for Baku and sent on an anger management course 
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject:
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He only got a 10 sec penalty during the race and afterwards he apologised so he got no further action taken against him, incredible. So the 5 sec penalty Vettle got in Canada was pretty lenient.
As for the race incident the wording I've read is that 'it's a technical infringement of the rules to leave the track and then return immediately to the racing line' that's what Vettel did and he received the penalty.
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