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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:01 pm    Post subject: If you had £25k to buy a 911 as an investment, which one?.. Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm new to the forum and would like some advice on purchasing my first 911.

I adore all 911's, maybe the 996 isn't my favourite, but I'd like to invest around £25k into a 911. The question is, from an investment perspective, which one will likely appreciate the most over time?

For this modest amount, I see that the likes of the 996 and 997 are affordable, but then is it the Targa, C4S, Turbo? I'd love an earlier model but looks like they're out of reach.

Your thoughts would be hugely appreciated.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 996 is underappreciated. While I think he goes a bit over the top, this is worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr2dzAZEhk4

Having said that, if you're buying for investment rather than to drive, with £25k, you're taking a wild punt.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an investment I would buy gold, sovereigns or brittannias to avoid CGT, or Amazon shares. As a car to drive and enjoy buy an early 996 C2, they are superb.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no 911 at £25k that is an investment. Who is your financia advisor?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
There is no 911 at £25k that is an investment. Who is your financia advisor?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Mistercorn states - if you want something to enjoy get the early 996 C2 (but buy 2 of them with your budget and only drive one)

As a thing of beauty that won't loose you money, buy this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904197139131
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many non GT 996/7s about to rise in value more than the maintenance costs.

Buy one because you want one, bought well it will cost you little overall.

The ‘classic car as investment’ boat has probably sailed, aside from the very top end.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echoing the above, wouldn't buy any Porsche as an investment. Particularly at the mo where their values are all over the place and nobody has confidence to buy anything.

Bung it in an S&S ISA instead!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

by investment do you mean lowest cost of ownership or highest residual value? net of all costs of owning one, i dont think id ever look to a car as an investment in the purest sense of the word?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: If you had £25k to buy a 911 as an investment, which on Reply with quote

Bradm wrote:
Hi all,

I'm new to the forum and would like some advice on purchasing my first 911.

I adore all 911's, maybe the 996 isn't my favourite, but I'd like to invest around £25k into a 911. The question is, from an investment perspective, which one will likely appreciate the most over time?

For this modest amount, I see that the likes of the 996 and 997 are affordable, but then is it the Targa, C4S, Turbo? I'd love an earlier model but looks like they're out of reach.

Your thoughts would be hugely appreciated.

Regards

Brad


Brad I’m sending some negativity in the posts above (you dared mention Investment Grin) A bit like mentioning a journalist to a Football hooligan.

Better wording may be “which 911 will potentially depreciate less” then you may get some more positive responses Thumb

I would suggest a Hartech (other engine builders are available) engined 997.1 would be a fairly solid bet.
Failing that some of the older front and mid engined Porsche’s are becoming more collectible Thumb but presuming its 911 only?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your feedback so far, been great help.

'spongebob squarepants' you're quite right, I'm seeking the 911 which is likely to depreciate the least. There's no guarantee of course but from experience and previous trends, I'd like an idea on the most likely 911 to achieve that.

To add some colour, I'm not looking to invest in a 911 with the expectation it delivers a better return vs a conventional investment, so apologies if that came across at the start.

I have a BMW Z3M Coupe which is worth around £25k and I'm considering selling it to buy a 911. I like the Z3M which I've had for 15 years, bought for £15k and I've driven 75k miles. I'll make around £10k prior maintenance costs, but have ALWAYS wanted a 911. So my decision is an emotional one, a decision I'd have to accept could cost me down the line, as the Z3M will likely appreciate considering they only made 6k worldwide. However, mine has 165k miles so it's not the most desirable, when others are selling up to £60k.

Anyway, enough about BMW!

I much prefer the 997, but agree with most here who have suggested the 996 could be a better bet. If I were to slightly increase my budget to £30k then these two options could be contenders;

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-turbo-996/porsche-911-turbo-turbo-tiptronic-s-low-owners-full-porsche-history/7967121

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/porsche-911-997-carrera-4s-x51-2007/9627181

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/porsche-911-997-carrera-2s-2004-with-hartech-engine-rebuild-2004/9528288

What's the better bet, a 996 Turbo, a 997 C with full Hartech rebuild, or 997 C4S?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bradm wrote:


What's the better bet, a 996 Turbo, a 997 C with full Hartech rebuild, or 997 C4S?



Now that 996 Turbos have come back down to sensible money I'd vote for one. I'm sure they're pretty much 'depreciation proof' and much more fun to own and drive than any Carrera - just so long as you can afford to maintain one properly.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The turbo, every day and 5 times on sunday.

The 996/997 turbos provide a driving experience and power delivery the newer 911.2 Carrera onwards still can't match despite the claimed HP figures.

The 911 turbo will always be the daddy (to me at least), and I believe they will all eventually appreciate - even the poor old gloriously underrated 996..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of those 3 (and I prefer the 997 to the 996) based on what you've said so far, I would go:
1. 996 Turbo (don't think it will depreciate much if at all)
2. 997 Hartech C2 (engine now pretty much bulletproof, so drive and enjoy)
3. 997 C4S (nice spec and X51, but for me on risk alone could need a rebuild at some point)

Number 3 could easily go to number 2 or 1 dependent on a decent inspection, for bore scoring etc and warranty, as I like the spec etc. There are IMS solutions out there but fitting them depends on the engine age, as some still require the engine out and split I believe
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That turbo is lovely, I’m no fan of the 996 interior, but that grey really lightens it up Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are about 5/7 years too late to buy a 911 investment!

Hate to tell you this but £15k 15 years ago is equivalent to £24k now accounting for inflation.

So your z3m has stayed static effectively.

Which isn't bad for a car really.

I won't tell you what you would have now if you had put that £15k into equities 15 years ago, it might make you cry.

If I had £25k to buy a 911 now I'd buy one for 15k and invest £10k, but if your pension pot is full then go looking for a turbo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasz wrote:
You are about 5/7 years too late to buy a 911 investment!

Hate to tell you this but £15k 15 years ago is equivalent to £24k now accounting for inflation.

So your z3m has stayed static effectively.

Which isn't bad for a car really.

I won't tell you what you would have now if you had put that £15k into equities 15 years ago, it might make you cry.

If I had £25k to buy a 911 now I'd buy one for 15k and invest £10k, but if your pension pot is full then go looking for a turbo.


Brad you can edit the thread title Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can look past a 911 a 944 turbo is a better "investment " than both a 996 /997 .You can buy a decent one for £25k it won't be like that forever.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A z3m might do better than any 25k porsche....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not qualified to comment on investment potential but I do think a £25k Turbo is likely to need its age related corrosion related issues addressed, such as those found on the Turbo bodies, Brake lines, Coolant lines, Radiators and, in my case Tip ATF pipework (and as of this weekend it now seems Aircon pipes!). This list can cost £10k on an otherwise 'Good Car'.
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