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peterg1955
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dessert comments are a little er unusual although he does say that Neil's cab is his favourite... Hand
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And goes on to half say something at the end, which is somewhat frustrating.

Can't fault his judgement overall though, obviously.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinny_monkey wrote:
Mostly lemon from sorbet?
What does that mean!?

I guess the lemon is sharp, for a sharper less comfortable ride. Sorbet vs ice cream where sorbet is sharper than the ice cream. And then lemon vs vanilla vs strawberry being sweeter and sweeter i.e. softer and smoother rides??

Of course the entire piece is all about ride comfort on the road. Mine is JUICE rather than ice cream or sorbet. Super super face contorting sharp haha!
 
  
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Jamesx19
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read the article.

Fantastic effort to all those involved, especially Maldren for getting such a breath of Damper/spring options for the 996 together in one place.

Whist I can see the conundrum of different approaches. I am still flummoxed as to whether coilovers are worth the money, effort and shear faff? The standard/Mo30 cars appeared to fair very well in comparison.

The only defo was no one will be buying Eibach/Koni combo from now on. (Sorry Tommy! 😬)

Sadly, I feel Bennett and Franklin have both copped out on offering any meaningful opinion on what was the best damper/spring combo for UK roads. And critically, why.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The report needs to be read in context. As mentioned in the report, it was about ride comfort and it's subjective. It was not an involved handling test day with timed laps, or even a track to drive, so to speak.

I took my car on the NC500 this year and felt it was fine, even on the rough single track roads. On track, it's great. I would say my M2 has a LIME JUICE ride compared to my 996. It's all subjective.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I looked into dampers I couldn't find any information to suggest that Koni special active dampers were suitable for use with lowering springs Question
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked a copy up today, although I have now sold my Carrera, I have just ordered Ohlins to go on the new car, so will see the difference myself.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't fit standard springs for road use, they are very firm. 40/90Nm seems a good compromise and is still firmer than the GT3!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a great article and a credit to all involved.

I guess the point is that ride/handling is subjective. 15 yrs ago the 964RS was considered undriveable on UK roads yet now the fashion is for ride generally to be much firmer. My '07 Audi A5 Sport had a worse ride than my '03 4S... My '14 reg Merc CLS is surprisingly harsh at times (on an OE derivative of FSDs).

The article did bring data to bear, which was interesting.

Either way, I'm really looking forward to my visit to CG in early Jan to hear what they have to say about my 4S.

I do agree though the M030 came out well, and I suspect for road use its good enough for me, albeit after the worn-out bits have been refreshed.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree on the m030. I thought I was getting old as it’s as hard as I really could stick it. I have however made the decision to go for solid bushes on the rear subframe and I’m making polybushes for the rest. The idea behind making them is so that I can change them for softer compounds if the solid bushes make it too harsh. I want to do a few track days and I want to avoid having to go adjustable toe arms if possible. I have spax springs fitted to my mo30 shocks and I find them a little softer which I like.

It was good to see the m030 fair out well as it just goes to show that you don’t necessarily need to spend thousands upgrading to coil overs
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