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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:09 am    Post subject: Be VERY wary dealing with Specialist Cars of Malton Reply with quote

Apologies for not posting sooner on this, I couldn't as I hadn't been paid in full. I now have so here's the text of the Google review that I just updated.

** Scam Alert **

Be VERY wary dealing with Specialist Cars of Malton Limited. In October 2018 I paid top price (£235,000) when I bought what was supposed to be an immaculate, fully original and fully restored 1972 Porsche 911 2.4S. This is what Specialist Cars of Malton advertised the car as. As a kid I'd always wanted to own a 911 the same age as me, and this was me fulfilling a lifelong dream at the ripe age of 49. How the dream went sour....I was assured by John Hawkins (the owner) that all the restoration work was conducted in-house at Specialist Cars of Malton to a very high standard and this was "the best classic 911 2.4S he'd ever seen or sold". Impulsively and without an inspection I took him at his word. Shortly after taking delivery of the car I experienced a few minor running issues. I live on the south coast, so rather than take back to the dealer I took it to a classic Porsche specialist local to me. They quickly and sadly informed me that what I'd bought was absolutely NOT an original restored 911 2.4S. It was in actual fact a parts-bin frankenstein re-creation of lots of different 911 cars, from different years, from different models and not a particularly well put together one at that. They gave me a very long list of issues and inconsistencies which was too long to read, some of which actually made the car dangerous to use. I immediately informed John Hawkins about this. Initially he tried to fob it off as "nonsense" and to reassure me, but he could not ignore the experts who really had nothing to gain by only telling me the truth. Eventually John Hawkins said "OK, I see where you are coming from, I'll take the car back and refund you". This was in November 2018. Since then John Hawkins and his lawyer Mark Jones of Gordons LLP have done nothing but mess me about, promising to pay and then missing every deadline they agreed. Despite many false promises I am yet to receive my payment of £235k, Specialist Cars of Malton and Gordons Solicitors citing "poor cashflow" as the reason I cannot be paid. I have in writing that I will be paid in full on 8th March 2019. If this happens then (and only then) will I remove this review. Until I am paid in full this review stays to prevent others trusting Mr Hawkins and falling into the same trap. If I could give a zero star review I would.

UPDATE 18.9.19 - Since not receiving a penny, I had to instruct debt collectors to recover my losses. Thankfully today the car was finally collected and I've been repaid in full. But the cost to me in time, effort, worry and my cashflow has been significant. If you choose to deal with John Hawkins or Specialist Cars of Malton - good luck to you. My experience couldn't have been worse.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad this all worked out for you ,but £235k for a year wow its an absolute mare knowing who to trust these days its one horror story after another, I suppose a bit of a lesson here (not having a dig) that an inspection by an independent party before parting with your cash is a must regardless of dealers so called reputation.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally, no dig taken. I should have had an independent inspection 100%. Ive become a bit complacent over the years trusting car dealers completely and always getting exactly what I paid for with no issues. This time it tripped me up. Easy to be wise after the event...
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: "Specialist" Cars of Malton Reply with quote

rob osprey wrote:
Apologies for not posting sooner on this, I couldn't as I hadn't been paid in full. I now have so here's the text of the Google review that I just updated.

** Scam Alert ** Be VERY wary dealing with Specialist Cars of Malton Limited. In October 2018 I paid top price (£235,000) when I bought what was supposed to be an immaculate, fully original and fully restored 1972 Porsche 911 2.4S. This is what Specialist Cars of Malton advertised the car as. As a kid I'd always wanted to own a 911 the same age as me, and this was me fulfilling a lifelong dream at the ripe age of 49. How the dream went sour....I was assured by John Hawkins (the owner) that all the restoration work was conducted in-house at Specialist Cars of Malton to a very high standard and this was "the best classic 911 2.4S he'd ever seen or sold". Impulsively and without an inspection I took him at his word. Shortly after taking delivery of the car I experienced a few minor running issues. I live on the south coast, so rather than take back to the dealer I took it to a classic Porsche specialist local to me. They quickly and sadly informed me that what I'd bought was absolutely NOT an original restored 911 2.4S. It was in actual fact a parts-bin frankenstein re-creation of lots of different 911 cars, from different years, from different models and not a particularly well put together one at that. They gave me a very long list of issues and inconsistencies which was too long to read, some of which actually made the car dangerous to use. I immediately informed John Hawkins about this. Initially he tried to fob it off as "nonsense" and to reassure me, but he could not ignore the experts who really had nothing to gain by only telling me the truth. Eventually John Hawkins said "OK, I see where you are coming from, I'll take the car back and refund you". This was in November 2018. Since then John Hawkins and his lawyer Mark Jones of Gordons LLP have done nothing but mess me about, promising to pay and then missing every deadline they agreed. Despite many false promises I am yet to receive my payment of £235k, Specialist Cars of Malton and Gordons Solicitors citing "poor cashflow" as the reason I cannot be paid. I have in writing that I will be paid in full on 8th March 2019. If this happens then (and only then) will I remove this review. Until I am paid in full this review stays to prevent others trusting Mr Hawkins and falling into the same trap. If I could give a zero star review I would.

UPDATE 18.9.19 - Since not receiving a penny, I had to instruct debt collectors to recover my losses. Thankfully today the car was finally collected and I've been repaid in full. But the cost to me in time, effort, worry and my cashflow has been significant. If you choose to deal with John Hawkins or Specialist Cars of Malton - good luck to you. My experience couldn't have been worse.


OMG a £235k Fake !!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob osprey wrote:
Totally, no dig taken. I should have had an independent inspection 100%. Ive become a bit complacent over the years trusting car dealers completely and always getting exactly what I paid for with no issues. This time it tripped me up. Easy to be wise after the event...


Glad to hear you got your money back.

I can only imagine the head ache you have been through and the run around by their lawyers.

How on earth lawyers can cover up criminal activities is shocking.

Do you have the Reg number and the VIN number of this fake you can share ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, just wow.

This is the farce of the law in this country. This is a major fraud and yet the police will have zero interest in it as it involves erm.......doing some actual police work !

Yes I am bitter, and yes I have first hand experience of them showing zero interest in this type of fraud Rolling Eyes

How hard is it to prove that this is a conscious and deliverate act of misrepresentation with the aim of defrauding the buyer out of a considerable sum of money Dont know
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ps whilst I fully appreciate the OP in wanting to secure his own interests first I would suggest that he:

- reports the matter to action fraud. This is despite my first hand experience of them referring these sort of matters to the local police who will then tell you they donlt have enough resource to priorise ie do anything about it Rolling Eyes

- report the solicitor to their standards board especially if they provided a written undertaking over payments that did not happen ie they should not provide such an undertaking without funds being held to order. I'm guessing they carefullky worded any commitment to avoid an undertaking being entered into Dont know I would still report them in any case if you feel they where complicite in deliberately misleading you. If it is a larger partnership I will also report the matter to the senior practice manager as it may well be a case of a solicitor gone rogue with a client (It does happen more than people realise).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree Jonttt. However report a "Hate Crime" & a dedicated police unit will spring into action immediately as local Plod seek to show their "Diversity" credentials offering the "victim" all sorts of special measures with CPS lawyers & police Witness care Unit keeping you filly abreast of all developments in your case!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Rob for sharing your story. I'm delighted you got a positive outcome in the end but, as you say, there's no compensation for the trouble and strife and stress and heartache caused by John Hawkins / Specialist Cars of Malton to you in relation to that whole incident.

What should have been an open-and-shut case of "If you're not happy, please return the car for a full refund" obviously became a complete nightmare for you and, I can only imagine, has consumed your life over the last year.

Meanwhile the first anniversary of the promised completion date of my car is rapidly approaching and I'm still rocking around in my little Clio 172 beater longing for the car to be completed so that I can commence my legal proceedings against Hawkins / SCoM.

Once again, thanks for sharing Rob and well done on forcing through a resolution.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG. Arthur Daley is alive and well #unbefuckinlievable
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder is this your car Rob?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-pre-89/porsche-911-2-4s-1972/9421455

John Hawkins of Specialist Cars of Malton has this one advertised presently. There's very little detail on it but it seems to fit the bill. If it is the same one, it will be very interesting to see how it is described next time it is offered for sale.
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This seems to be the same car albeit the engine size seems to be wavering between 2.3 and 2.4 ...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the one. Registration number GBR 478. It is NOT a genuine 911S 2.4 far from it. Ciaran - you are right, I was within my legal right to reject the car in 30 days for good reason and demand a full refund, but ultimately that counts for very little. The only thing that got him to take it seriously was when some big guys sat on his desk..shame to resort to that, but cowards like Hawkins hide behind lawyers and the length of the legal process.

Agreed with some of the other comments, this was fraud. Pure and simple.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, glad you got your money back and thanks for posting. Shocking.

From memory one chap who also had serious money loss from these fraudsters is still out of pocket for a large amount. Maybe you could refer him to your debt collectors and see if they can collect for him Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than happy to connect them, his contact details are..

Steve Browne - Cobra - 07875 418533
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob osprey wrote:
Thats the one. Registration number GBR 478. It is NOT a genuine 911S 2.4 far from it. Ciaran - you are right, I was within my legal right to reject the car in 30 days for good reason and demand a full refund, but ultimately that counts for very little. The only thing that got him to take it seriously was when some big guys sat on his desk..shame to resort to that, but cowards like Hawkins hide behind lawyers and the length of the legal process.

Agreed with some of the other comments, this was fraud. Pure and simple.


Shocking that John Hawkins would patch together an early 911 to take advantage of the boom in the market to sell this on.

Rob, can you share further details of what the car might have actually been underneath Question

We have a responsibility to ensure any suspecting future buyer has the correct facts to this car.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4.0 Inspection of the Vehicle.

4.1 Vehicle Identification Details:
Registration Number: GBR 478 see photograph No. 1.
Vehicle’s Identification Number (VIN): 9112300416, see photographs Nos.7 & 9.
The stamping on the boot/bulkhead panel appears original and is consistent with the
Porsche Certificate of Authenticity for a right-hand drive 911S.
Date of Registration: 13.01.1972, this is according to the HPI Report using the
registration number, it also notes the VIN as the same one stamped in the
bulkhead/boot panel and only states it is a Porsche 911 in black, see Appendix 1.
Comment.
It is not unusual on older vehicles for DVLA registration details to have omissions
like the missing model designation.
Engine Number: 6329218, see photograph No. 10. This number is not consistent with
the original Porsche stampings because the digits are approximately 3 millimetres
high when originals are approximately 5 millimetres and the pentagons are different.
To show this variation photograph No. 12 is of an original Porsche number taken
from another engine. Therefore the definitive origin of the engine cannot be known
because its original number is missing. However there are other numbers on the
crankcases, i.e. 911/62, see photograph No.11 and according to Porsche’s Technical
specifications handbook, see Appendix 2, this engine was originally from a 1972
911E Sportomatic.
Gearbox Number: None visible.
Current Odometer reading: 42,507 miles, see photograph No. 6. There is insufficient
history/documentation with the vehicle to indicate if this is the vehicle’s original
mileage reading or not.

4.2 The sales video and photographs in the bundle are consistent with the vehicle I
inspected and from the video the paint finishes appear acceptable. However to the
professionals knowledgeable with this era of Porsches one can immediately see the
significant areas of the vehicle that are not of the original specification. The photos
and videos show there is no oil tank flap (similar to a fuel filler flap) on the right-hand
rear wing hence the oil tank is not located in front of the rear wheel (which 1972
models had), it has the wider/flared RS rear arches, incorrect sill trims and the wider
incorrect specification wheels and tyres. Also the rubber inserts in the bumpers trims
are narrower (approximately 15 m.m.) than those in the sill trims which are
approximately 20 m.m. when they should be the same size. These variations from
original specifications can be seen in photographs Nos. 1, 2 & 3 and are not expected
on a vehicle of original specification/concours standard.

Comment.
The following evidence/defects noted below are not what I would expect to find on a
full restoration of a vehicle sold for £235,000.00 and certainly not consistent with the
sales statement “This truly is a remarkable car and has been kept in immaculate
condition.”




4.3 The paint finish appears heavily loaded/too much paint hence some loss of
definition in the swage lines creases has occurred. I suspect if a paint technologist
was to inspect the paintwork further problems would be revealed.

4.4 The windscreen appears new and is a bluish tint which can be seen in
photograph No. 3, the rear window has a very slight tint and no evidence of wiper
blade scratches, so I suspect this is not the original screen either but replacement glass
is not a significant problem. However the vehicle was originally built with side tinted
glass and all the side glasses are clear and this can be adjudged from photographs
Nos.2 & 4 as there is no colour change to the backgrounds through the glass.

4.5 Photograph No. 4 also shows a rectangle of white body panel visible through
the glass and the left-hand side is the same. This indicates these panels are not
correct/original specification because they are from a “Targa” model and the missing
section of trim was to fit them around the roll bar/hoop.

4.6 The rear view mirror is glued to the screen, as original, however it is too high
and consequently the sun blinds when lowered are obscuring the mirror as photograph
No. 5 shows.

4.7 The boot carpet is poorly fitted, as photograph No. 86 shows and I suspect it is
not consistent with the original specification. Removing the carpet revealed a later
spare wheel and fuel tank (I suspect from a 3.2 engined 911) as shown in photograph
No. 15. The fuel gauge did not appear to be working correctly and it maybe an
incompatibility of the sensor in the tank to the gauge, a faulty component or wiring
fault and further investigation would be required to establish the cause.

4.8 The bonnet is a later one because it has two light unit fixings, i.e. the two
small square holes at the rear on the underside of the bonnet, these are shown in
photographs Nos. 6 & 31 and the images also shows there are no light units or wires
fitted.


4.9 The lower dash trim panel, shown in photograph No. 13 was removed to
reveal the body build number in the dashboard’s steel frame below the radio and the
number 102 2447 is shown in photograph No. 14. Further research is required to
establish if this is original to the VIN 9112300416 but I suspect it is. There is
extensive deformation and paint and filler are cracking on the left-hand end of the
dashboard frame which is a structural element of the bodyshell. This became more
apparent with the lower trim removed, which is consistent with a heavy impact
damage/deformation to the left-hand side of the vehicle which has not been
correctly repaired/aligned and this is shown in photographs Nos. 16, 17 and 18. The
trim in photograph No. 18 should be in contact with the dashboard frame but has been
manipulated to align it with the glove box lid and consequently is being held away
from the frame. Further evidence is shown in photograph No. 19 which is taken from
behind the dashboard frame showing deformation, ***** paint and light surface
corrosion. Photograph No. 24 shows the frame adjacent to the fuel filler flap
release knob, the whitish arc is where the black spray paint has missed the deformed
crease in the metal, please note this image is upside down. One of the fixing screws
for the glove box lid hinge is deformed, damaged and has sharp edges and this is
shown in photograph No. 20. There is also deformation apparent on the right-hand
side of the dashboard but I could not obtain acceptable images without considerable
dismantling.

4.10 Photograph No. 21 shows the left-hand door trim and that the vehicle has
manual window winders and not electric that it was built with. Both the door trims
and pockets are poorly fitted and this can be seen in photograph Nos. 22 & 23 from
the light showing a gap in the bottom of the pockets.

4.11 Photograph No. 25 shows the vehicle is fitted with standard seats, not the sport
seats it was built with.

4.12 Photograph No. 26 shows the red horn relay is not secure in its fixing hole, the
lower one of the three holes adjacent to it and the brown marks are some light surface
corrosion around the hole. The image also shows the left-hand securing bolt and
clamp for the fuel tank is missing. The right-hand securing bolt and clamp are also
missing and this is shown in photograph No. 30.

Comment.
I see this insecurity of the fuel tank as a potentially dangerous defect and is clearly
preventing safe use of the vehicle.

4.13 The batteries (one either side in the boot) have poorly located earth straps, photograph No. 27 shows the left-hand side, there are no locking mediums apparent to
ensure the bolts do not loosen and there is a tight twist in the straps. More serious is
the live/positive terminals that are not covered/insulated to prevent a possible
short/fire risk between them and the bodyshell which is the earth circuit and
photograph No. 28 shows the left-hand side one. In addition the screw for the loom
feed on the positive terminal is loose and the slot of the screw has been damaged by
use of an inappropriate screwdriver. Also the wires into the terminals did not appear
to be soldered in.

Comment.
I see the uncovered/protected live terminals and loose fixing screw as potentially
dangerous defects and are clearly preventing safe use of the vehicle.

4.14 The fuel tank breather pipe has not been fitted with a sealing grommet
between it and the inner wing as shown in photograph No. 29. There are further
grommets missing; photograph No. 32 shows the brake fluid overflow pipe through
the inner wing and photograph No. 34 shows the fuel filler pipe through the inner
wing and also that the paintwork is heavily chipped around the hole.
The grommets are designed to seal the gap (preventing detritus from the wheel arch
area entering the boot area) and to prevent the pipes abrading against the bodywork.

4.15 Photograph No. 32 also shows the overflow pipe has not been routed/looped
through the clip on the inner wing which is required to prevent the risk of the fluid
siphoning out of the reservoir. Photograph No. 33 is a close up of the clip which
shows that there is bare metal/corrosion on the clip and a poor paint finish around it.

4.16 Both the bonnet hinges are not located correctly against the inner wings which
has resulted in the paint being damaged on the inner wings and around the fixing bolts
and the left-hand hinge assembly is shown in photograph No. 35. The image also
shows poor/crazed paint finish on the inner wing and one of the outer wing’s fixing
bolt’s is not located correctly against the inner wing.

Comment.
I suspect the above problems are due to the inner wings being deformed/not correctly
aligned.

4.17 Further evidence of the bodyshell suffering extensive deformation from
impact damage and not being repaired correctly is the general shape of the bulkhead
panel/boot panel and what is clearly visible is the crease/deformation shown arrowed
in the centre of photograph No. 36 which extends across to the wiring loom/grommet
hole. This panel is the one with the VIN stamped in it on the right-hand side. There is
corrosion and fracturing of the hole for the wiring loom and this is shown in close up
in photograph No. 37 and its underside (behind dash) in photograph No. 38. The
image also shows poor paint finish and unusual weld in the joints of the panels.

4.18 The cardboard cover panel at the rear of the boot, shown in photograph
No. 31, was removed to access the steering column inspection panel, this and the
removed panel are shown in photograph No. 39. The image also shows a component
fixed to the back of it which I suspect is the tracker device that was fitted. The
steering universal joint components are new but there is a dust cover missing and the
upper cover is not secured.

Comment.
If this is the tracker, I am surprised to see it is in such an accessible place.




4.19 The scuttle panel has a water drain through the bulkhead panel to below the
vehicle, this is shown in photograph No. 40, it is apparent the rubber pipe is
kinked/restricted and located with a modern plastic cable tie when it would have
originally had a metal screw type clip.

4.20 Looking into the inspection panel revealed surface corrosion, detritus and even a piece of cut off red wire and this is shown in photograph No. 41.

4.21. Both of the bonnet hydraulic supporting struts are upside down, also the
fixings into the bulkhead panel are missing spacers or the struts are incorrect,
consequently when they were tightened it has fractured and deformed the location
brackets and the right-hand one is shown in photograph No. 42.

4.22 The left-hand front passenger floor panel is shown in photograph No.43,
this panel is deformed and this can be seen in the lower left centre panel in the image.
The photograph also shows that there are no soundproofing pads fitted.

4.23 The attachment of the rear wings to the inner wings at the rear is not
consistent at each side and this variation of gaps/jointing is shown in the photographs,
No. 44/left-hand side and 45/right-hand side. Higher up the right-hand side the
jointing is uneven and there is a hole with corrosion apparent and this can be seen in
photograph No. 47.

4.24 Photograph No. 46 shows the left-hand side engine mountings located on the
rear crossmember and that a bluish paint is apparent adjacent to the mounting and the
right-hand side has a similar area of bluish paint visible.

4.25 Both the bumper shells are fiberglass instead of steel, this is not apparent from
the sales images/videos but is apparent when looking at them closely and particularly
from their undersides which clearly shows the fibre-glass matting and the front
bumper is shown in photographs Nos. 48 & 49. The images also show that the main
support brackets are missing and the holes in the chassis rails have been crudely filled
with silicone type sealer.

4.26 There are many areas of the bodyshell joints that are uneven and covered with
excessive amounts of seam sealer/sealant and examples are shown in photographs
Nos. 50, 51 & 52. It is also apparent from the images that these areas are cracking and
corrosion is apparent in the cracks.

4.27 Another crack in the sealant is adjacent to the front steering and suspension
crossmember’s location point which is shown in photograph No. 53. Also the weather
shield attached to the crossmember has not been correctly shaped/or the floorpan is
out of shape and it is abrading against the floor to the extent it has rubbed through the
paint and sealant and the resultant bare metal is rusting and this is shown in
photograph No. 54.




4.28 Photographs Nos. 55, 56, 57 & 58 are of the underside in the areas of the rear
floor/seatpans/rear bulkhead joints. It is apparent the rear floorpans have been
replaced and the images clearly show the rough finish of the joints and the variations
of sprayed on sealer from the areas of bare metal and excessive amounts of sealer on
the easier to hit areas.

4.29 There are no interior light switches on the A posts and blanking plugs have
been placed in the holes and photograph No. 59 shows the right-hand side. It is also
apparent that the door (left-hand side is the same) has three wiring holes in it. This is
an indication that the doors are for a later vehicle because in 1972 there was only one
hole in the door which was for the electric window feed wires. The door’s check strap
can also be seen in the bottom of the image and photograph No. 60 shows, in close
up, the left-hand door’s check strap and that they are steel when the 991S had alloy
ones.

4.30 There is an excessive variation in the gaps between the door trim along the
door top and the window frames, the left-hand one is shown in photograph No. 61 and
for comparison the right-hand one is shown in photograph No. 62 which has no gap at
all.

Comment.
I feel this variation is an indication of the bodyshell having alignment problems and
excessive movement of the frame was required to obtain contact with the door seal.

4.31 There is a scrape in the left-hand door sill trim as shown in photograph No. 63
and the cause of this is the insecure screw in the underside of the door card/trim panel
which can be seen in photograph No. 64. Also one of the drain holes in the door is
fouling the door aperture and this is shown in photograph No. 65.

4.32 Both seat belts have had their identity certification/date of manufacture labels
cut off as photographs Nos. 66 & 67 show. The invoice 9911 (with a 6 circled at the
top) in the bundle, shows S/H seat belt £15.00 which I feel indicates a second-hand
seat belt was purchased. Hence I do not feel these seat belts, which are a safety
critical items, can be relied up as being in a satisfactory condition. This defect should
have generated an Advisory Defect on the MOT Test.

4.33 Photograph No. 68 shows the under-dash area which should have been painted
black, it also shows the speedometer cable is not positioned correctly and I suspect
has too tighter bend at the back of the speedometer unit because the three rings on the
speedometer cable should be in the grommet when it is correctly positioned.

4.34 Looking behind the dashboard frame I could see the bluish colour which is
shown in photograph No. 69 and also in the centre of the floorpan/front of the central
tunnel area which is shown in photograph No. 70.





4.35 Photograph No. 70 also shows:-
An extra return spring has been fitted on the throttle linkage and the spring is rubbing
against the clutch release mechanism.
The fuel feed pipe was not replaced following the painting of the bodyshell white
because it has white paint on it and it can be seen where I have placed the number 70.

4.36 Photograph No. 71 shows the wire for the left-hand door switch present in the
shell and entering the A pillar. This may be a live wire and possibly a fire risk.

4.37 The fuel injection pump on the engine is shown in photograph No. 72 and the
identity/part numbers on the ID plate, i.e.22510350 0403 126 014, indicate this is for
a 911E engine.

4.38 The red engine cover (which a 991S had) from its appearance has been
recently painted. The paint is bubbling as photograph No. 73 shows and indicates it is
not the correct coating/paint or it has not been prepared correctly. The image also
shows the cover is fractured.

4.39 The rear mounted oil tank and filter assembly is shown in photograph No. 74
from within the engine bay and in photograph No. 79 from under the rear of the rear
wing. Photographs Nos. 77 & 78 show the rubber sealing grommet has not been
fitted/located correctly. Photograph No. 79 shows that oil is leaking slightly from the
sender unit and photograph No. 80 shows the front securing bracket is missing from
the chassis rail (probably because it was not built with a bracket) because it originally
had a front mounted tank, hence the oil tank is insecure and moving around. Further
evidence of it originally having a front mounted tank is the tank strap’s securing
bracket still present in the front of the rear wing which is shown arrowed in
photograph No. 81.

4.40 The main fuel feed pipe is shown exiting the left-hand chassis rail in
photograph No. 75 and no grommet is fitted to seal and prevent it abrading against the
chassis. The paint below the fuel filter on the chassis is bubbling, as photograph
No. 76 shows, which if caused by petrol is indicating the paint is not fuel resistant.

4.41 It is apparent that both front wheels have been rubbing the front inner wheel
wings/chassis rails as shown in photographs Nos. 82/left-hand side & 83/right-hand
side. The photographs clearly show there has been black and orange paint on these
panels below the white as the tyres have rubbed through the depths of paint.
The tyres fouling the bodywork/chassis is a MOT Test failure point.

Comment.
The orange in the left-hand wing appears to be the lowest paint and there is no
evidence of any blue which leads me to suspect this inner wing/chassis rail is from an
orange vehicle but removal of paint and seam sealer will be required around the
bodyshell to fully ascertain what structural panels are original to the blue
vehicle/911S vehicle.



4.42 The right-hand front anti-roll bar link has become detached at some point, it
has been welded back on and the weld appears of poor quality as photograph No.
84 shows. The bracket has either not been aligned correctly or the drop link is not the
correct one because of how it is biasing in the top bush which is shown in photograph
No. 85 when compared to the correct position of the left-hand side in photograph
No. 86. These photographs also show that the top bushes are different specifications,
one is white and one is black material.

Comment.
These brackets do not normally detach, so I suspect it was detached from an impact or
a non anti-roll bar suspension arm has been adapted.

4.43 The front brake calipers are in a poor painted condition as photograph No. 87
shows and they are cast iron when the 911S had aluminum ones.

4.44 The left-hand rear anti-roll bar link is not sitting squarely/or fully in the ball
joint which is shown in photograph No. 88 when compared to the right-hand one in
photograph No. 89.

4.45 The right-hand rear suspension damper/shock absorber is fouling the exhaust
system which can be seen from the marks on the damper in photograph No. 90 and
how the flange of the exhaust has been deformed in photograph No. 91.

4.46 There is a mis-match of suspension dampers, the fronts are Bilstein units
(shown green in photographs Nos. 85 & 86) and the rears are Sachs units as
photograph No. 98 shows. They are also not the original specification Konis which
according to the Porsche build certificate it was built with.

4.47 The rear anti-roll bar is a too larger diameter, it is a 18 millimeter diameter
when the original 911S had a 15 millimetre and it is fouling the rear crossmember as
shown in photograph No. 94. The rear anti-roll bar bushes appear different
specifications and this is shown in photographs Nos. 92 & 93.

4.48 The rear suspension/trialing arms have been modified to appear like RS units
and it appears the dampers that have been fitted have too narrow spacers in the bottom
bushes because as the bolts have been tightened they have deformed the brackets,
which has clearly cracked the paint and will have possibly weakened the brackets.
These deformations/fracturing of the paint is shown in photographs Nos. 95, 96 & 97.

4.49 The front suspension crossmember is deformed and has been incorrectly
repaired at the location of the right-hand suspension adjustment point. The left-hand
side is shown in photograph No. 99 and the right-hand is shown in photograph
No. 100.






4.50 The engine started acceptably, all gears could be selected but there felt to be
excessive play in the linkage for a rebuilt vehicle. The clutch engaged normally but
the cable has been repaired, I would have expected to see a new cable on a
restoration. I could not drive the vehicle due to the defects noted above, therefore I
cannot comment on the performance of the engine and gearbox and there may be
further defects that become apparent with use.

4.51 As the evidence shows the crankcases are not from an “S” engine and unless it
or the vehicle is placed on a dynamometer it will not be possible to say if it has been
built to “S” specification power and torque outputs or not.

4.52 There is excessive movement of the handbrake, i.e. the cables are not adjusted
correctly and does not fully apply the handbrake. The amount of movement should
have caused a MOT failure.


5.0 Comments & Opinions.

5.1 There is clear evidence that the bonnet and doors are not original body panels
to the vehicle. However I also suspect some areas of the bodyshell’s structure are not
original and it will require removal of paint and seamsealer/undersealing medium to
fully ascertain which parts of the bodyshell are original 911S with the blue factory
colour. I strongly suspect the bodyshell and four wheel alignment are not to
specification but the vehicle will require placing on specialist alignment equipment to
confirm this.


6.0 Conclusions.

6.1 The above evidence shows this vehicle is far from its original specification,
it has not been restored to a standard consistent with the Porsche standard or the sales
descriptions or the price paid of £235,000.00. It also has many defects which are
affecting its safe use, some I see as potentially dangerous and therefore it is not of
satisfactory quality or fit for purpose.

6.2 The engine number is not the original Porsche stamping and from another
original stamping it appears the engine casings were from a 1972 911E originally
mated to an automatic gearbox, therefore it appears there has been a re-identifying of
the engine to match the identity of the vehicle offered for sale.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ rob what a mess!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a state of affairs, And what an absoute joke that people are representing him and allowing this con man to continue to flaunt the Law and sail so close to the wind, It's a good thing that you got your money back BUT the stress and grief this must have caused over the last 12 Months would have broken me !

I'm affraid i'd have had to resort to Violence ! The first sign of him hiding behind a solicitor would have resulted in me and some of my pals partying in his front living room All weekend before taking up residence in his house under squaters rights...... See how long that takes him to find the money before his house disapears one room at a time.

Unfortunately, if it's one thing i've learnt over the years it's that these SH!eT Houses DO NOT like people playing by the same rules that they do !

Fortunately the same shambolic legal legal system would protect one just the same as the other, it's just a case of who's going to blink first ! And if he had my money, I'd be there now !
 
  
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