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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a keen interest in this, being both a business owner like Mr Mearns but also a solicitor (my business being the law). Samantha Mearns nee Crow resigned from the board of Gmund Cars Limited a decade ago, she remained secretary until last year. She was a major shareholder, until last year. Mr Mearns appears now to be sole shareholder. There was an interesting secured loan made to Gmund in 2014 by a family trust. Although the related charge is still "live" I suspect the 3 cars the subject of the security are now sold and the registered charge is a red herring. The accounts to the end 2017 make for fascinating reading, a negative net asset position of £200k and that was then.

There is a lot more I would like to say, but unfortunately it is not best practice to dispense legal advice on a forum of any kind. Good luck to all who are owed money....

As a final point, part of my business model is to hire consultants who work under my umbrella. My firm invoices clients and gets paid - the consultants then invoice me for 75% of what I received. Kind of like SOR for solicitors I guess. I usually pay a consultant's invoice within 30 minutes of receipt.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing a bit of digging (it's raining so I'm bored!).
The companies house shows up what we know, that his wife Samantha Mearns nee Crow has now resigned from the company.
Her house address in Scotton appears to be the village where all the cars are photographed, so you have to assume that's where he lives as well.
Looking up her details she is, ironically, a member of the Conservative Party and is a non practising solicitor, as per her declaration of interests.
Maybe an email to her at samantha.mearns@Knaresboroughtowncouncil.gov.uk
her mobile number is up there as well so in the public domain.
Also looking at his accounts up to the end of 2017 he is showing just over a £1,000,000 of stock but £1,278,415 of creditors.
He's also showing cash in hand of £23,000, again is this his money or customers.
The bottom line is he's £200,000 in debt. Hardly a glowing set of accounts!
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your suggestions & words of support folks.

I can’t go into detail but suffice to say that I have a number of irons in the fire on this matter.

To add insult to injury, he continues to advertise my car on his website.

Will update this thread as the matter develops and may see a few of you at the Gmund Open Day on 18th May.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody might want to contact AutoCar magazine.

Page 61 in the May 1st issue regarding buying a used supercar says:

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Andrew Mearns, owner of Gmund Cars, a specialist Porsche and VW dealership in Knaresborough, Yorkshire, has his own solution to supercar and hypercar warranties. He funds his standard 12-month warranty entirely from the business.

"I believe warranty companies' instinct is not to pay claims," he says, "so I've cut them out and fund my own warranty from every car I sell, putting £400 from every deal into my warranty fund. It forces me to buy the best cars and prepare them properly before they leave here. As a result I've usually got around £20,000 unclaimed in the pot. I've just sold a Porsche 959 with 3000 miles for £1.3 million. It's got the same warranty as all my cars. If it develops a fault in the next 12 months, the customer can take it to his local Porsche centre and I'll pick up the bill."

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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez he's got some nerve!

If he has sold a 959 for £1.3 million then he can clear his debts ASAP.

I've met him and his wife and you've got to admire his 'front'. I suppose with the cost of bank overdrafts and being £200,000 in the red he's found the perfect way to fund his operations, no interviews with the bank for an overdraft, no providing accounts just sell some poor guys car and keep the money.
I wonder if the guy who owned the 959 was paid for his car?
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently word of his 'issues' is also circulating in the trade. Not just unhappy customers who are aware (beware?) of Gmund
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very sorry to here of your problems with Gmund OP.

I've had dealings with Andrew Mearns in the past. Albeit my experiences have been somewhat different to yours.
Andrew purchased a 964 C2 off me back in 2004-5. Clearly he made a trade bid on what was a lovely car. I said I thought his bid was a smidge too low, to which he replied that if I felt that way, he would pay me another £1000 if he sold the car for his advertised price.
The car subsequently sold. I rang Andrew and told him I'd like my cheque for £1000. the cheque arrived within a week ....

Some years later I placed my 996 GT2 on SOR with him. He had the car at least 8 months, but regrettably it didn't sell. I collected it back off him without incident.

Back in 2008-9 I purchased a stunning Meteor grey 997 GT3. With the release of the Gen 2 car imminent, I decided Gen 1 prices might take a hit, so I decided to sell the car.

Even ten years ago, shifting a near £90K car privately was a tall order, so I rang Andrew and asked if he'd be willing to sell it on SOR. He said he'd be more than happy to do so.

I had finance on the car, so was unwilling to release it and I told Andrew I'd be keeping the car in the garage whilst he advertised it on my behalf. It took some months to sell, and in the end an energy trader purchased it out of his annual bonus ... His bonus wasn't due to another 6-8 weeks, so Andrew took a deposit off the purchaser and sent it to me.

A couple of months later the car sold and the purchaser paid Andrew.
I received the cheque for the car less the finance settlement and Andrew's commission.
Andrew's commission was a paltry £1000...
As an aside, I bought the car for £86K, I did a couple of thousand miles in it, put a pair of new MPS Cups on the rear of it, and even with Andrew's commission, I pocketed £84K....

I spoke to Andrew some years later and it transpired he'd lost his (wealthy) financial backer (as I understood it he'd passed away) as with quite a few of these independents, there's often a mysterious wealthy financier behind them. One VERY well known and regarded Porsche indy has the backing of just such an individual as I understand it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baldguy wrote:
This guy so needs a visit from Trading Standards...


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slippydiff wrote:
Very sorry to here of your problems with Gmund OP.

I've had dealings with Andrew Mearns in the past. Albeit my experiences have been somewhat different to yours.
Andrew purchased a 964 C2 off me back in 2004-5. Clearly he made a trade bid on what was a lovely car. I said I thought his bid was a smidge too low, to which he replied that if I felt that way, he would pay me another £1000 if he sold the car for his advertised price.
The car subsequently sold. I rang Andrew and told him I'd like my cheque for £1000. the cheque arrived within a week ....

Some years later I placed my 996 GT2 on SOR with him. He had the car at least 8 months, but regrettably it didn't sell. I collected it back off him without incident.

Back in 2008-9 I purchased a stunning Meteor grey 997 GT3. With the release of the Gen 2 car imminent, I decided Gen 1 prices might take a hit, so I decided to sell the car.

Even ten years ago, shifting a near £90K car privately was a tall order, so I rang Andrew and asked if he'd be willing to sell it on SOR. He said he'd be more than happy to do so.

I had finance on the car, so was unwilling to release it and I told Andrew I'd be keeping the car in the garage whilst he advertised it on my behalf. It took some months to sell, and in the end an energy trader purchased it out of his annual bonus ... His bonus wasn't due to another 6-8 weeks, so Andrew took a deposit off the purchaser and sent it to me.

A couple of months later the car sold and the purchaser paid Andrew.
I received the cheque for the car less the finance settlement and Andrew's commission.
Andrew's commission was a paltry £1000...
As an aside, I bought the car for £86K, I did a couple of thousand miles in it, put a pair of new MPS Cups on the rear of it, and even with Andrew's commission, I pocketed £84K....

I spoke to Andrew some years later and it transpired he'd lost his (wealthy) financial backer (as I understood it he'd passed away) as with quite a few of these independents, there's often a mysterious wealthy financier behind them. One VERY well known and regarded Porsche indy has the backing of just such an individual as I understand it.


The trouble is, this was all 15 years ago. I hear that ***** was a fairly decent bloke when he was trying to get into art college.. Unfortunately people change, some for the better and some for the worse, but I certainly wouldn't base my decision of whether I was going to do a SOR deal with Gmund today on the fact that I bought a half decent car from them 20 years ago... which I did.. but that's not relevant here
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mar1b0ro wrote:
Slippydiff wrote:
Very sorry to here of your problems with Gmund OP.

I've had dealings with Andrew Mearns in the past. Albeit my experiences have been somewhat different to yours.
Andrew purchased a 964 C2 off me back in 2004-5. Clearly he made a trade bid on what was a lovely car. I said I thought his bid was a smidge too low, to which he replied that if I felt that way, he would pay me another £1000 if he sold the car for his advertised price.
The car subsequently sold. I rang Andrew and told him I'd like my cheque for £1000. the cheque arrived within a week ....

Some years later I placed my 996 GT2 on SOR with him. He had the car at least 8 months, but regrettably it didn't sell. I collected it back off him without incident.

Back in 2008-9 I purchased a stunning Meteor grey 997 GT3. With the release of the Gen 2 car imminent, I decided Gen 1 prices might take a hit, so I decided to sell the car.

Even ten years ago, shifting a near £90K car privately was a tall order, so I rang Andrew and asked if he'd be willing to sell it on SOR. He said he'd be more than happy to do so.

I had finance on the car, so was unwilling to release it and I told Andrew I'd be keeping the car in the garage whilst he advertised it on my behalf. It took some months to sell, and in the end an energy trader purchased it out of his annual bonus ... His bonus wasn't due to another 6-8 weeks, so Andrew took a deposit off the purchaser and sent it to me.

A couple of months later the car sold and the purchaser paid Andrew.
I received the cheque for the car less the finance settlement and Andrew's commission.
Andrew's commission was a paltry £1000...
As an aside, I bought the car for £86K, I did a couple of thousand miles in it, put a pair of new MPS Cups on the rear of it, and even with Andrew's commission, I pocketed £84K....

I spoke to Andrew some years later and it transpired he'd lost his (wealthy) financial backer (as I understood it he'd passed away) as with quite a few of these independents, there's often a mysterious wealthy financier behind them. One VERY well known and regarded Porsche indy has the backing of just such an individual as I understand it.


The trouble is, this was all 15 years ago. I hear that ***** was a fairly decent bloke when he was trying to get into art college.. Unfortunately people change, some for the better and some for the worse, but I certainly wouldn't base my decision of whether I was going to do a SOR deal with Gmund today on the fact that I bought a half decent car from them 20 years ago... which I did.. but that's not relevant here


I wasn’t suggesting for one minute my experiences were relevant now, I was merely highlighting that the issues the OP is experiencing now, haven’t always been Andrew’s MO.
But if we’re talking relevance, I hardly think comparing a car dealer with questionable ethics with another individual is either relevant or particularly tactful in this instance ...
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

***** has been mentioned.......time to lock the thread.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realise i had compared him to anyone, i was just highlighting the fact that people can change over time. And like i said, I have had positive historic dealings with gmund but I wouldn't go anywhere near them now. But each to their own
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Gmund Cars Limited : NEW NEGATIVE REVIEW : MAY 2019 Reply with quote

Pagoda1966 wrote:
No, this isn’t a duplicate thread.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is a NEGATIVE review of Andrew Mearns/Gmund Cars Limited.

During the many sleepless nights I’ve had since late March when I first became aware of issues with Andrew Mearns/Gmund’s approach to SOR, I’ve deliberated long and hard about posting this negative review - character assassinations over minor or petty matters where there’s usually two sides to the story are just not my style. However, on this occasion, with no grey areas over the facts and numerous broken promises, I believe it my duty to warn others.

Although some might say this thread is a little premature (2 days shy of 8 weeks?) with others having waited up to 6 months before going legal/public, due to the significant sum of money involved (in excess of £50k), I am not able to be as patient or as understanding as others have been.

THE FACTS: (happy for any of this to be challenged by Andrew Mearns/Gmund):

Car handed over to Andrew Mearns/Gmund in Autumn 2018 to market on a SOR basis. Initial price quite optimistic so subsequently reduced down to £57,495 over a period of time at my request.

11/03/19 : Communication from Andrew Mearns/Gmund notifying me of interest in the car.

(I subsequently established that the car was MOT’d on 6/03/19 - wasn’t due until 1/8/19 - so I suspect this was virtually a done deal by the time I was informed).

30/03/19: DVLA notification of change of registered keeper received.

(I subsequently established via an HPI check that the change was effective 14/03/19).

30/03/19: Prompted only by communication from me, response from Andrew Mearns/Gmund that deal done but still getting car ready and plate transfer was the reason for the change of keeper.

(I know enough about buying/selling cars to know that no-one would transfer the registered keeper until payment had been received. Note, nearly 8 weeks after the change of keeper, original plate remains on the vehicle according to DVLA. Request for details of the deal struck ignored).

5/4/19: Chased Andrew Mearns/Gmund for update.

6/4/19: Chance conversation with another motor trader who was buying one of my other cars, directed me to issues with Andrew Mearns/Gmund highlighted on 911UK.COM.

(I was particularly spooked by the comment made by forum member “DPC7” that Andrew Mearns/Gmund had sold a £60k car early March so his payment could now be made - my car I presume?)

6/4/19: Request for urgent clarification of the deal reached / payment.

8/4/19: Response received - Sierra Cosworth taken in as part-exchange being delivered to its new owner 11/4/19 and payment would follow thereafter.

(They did have a Sierra Cosworth advertised on Pistonheads early March, although not on their own web-site, which I saw had been sold late March, so this seemed plausible to me. In the interests of keeping dealings friendly, I chose to overlook the fact that at least 50% of the sale proceeds had been in their possession since 14/03/19. Request for details of the deal reached again ignored).

15/04/19: Urgent update requested - no response.

22/04/19: Final warning before legal action sent.

(Not wanting to stick the knife in on a business which might have been experiencing genuine cashflow problems - although that’s not really my problem as these monies should have been ring-fenced from the business account - I asked for £25k and the balance by 10/05/19).

23/04/19: Response received - payment would be made that week with further request that I did not go public on any forums.

25/04/19: Now 6 weeks since car sold & no payment received.

28/04/19: With numerous broken promises and no realistic prospects of being paid, 911UK.COM informed and solicitor instructed.

29/04/19: Response from Andrew Mearns/Gmund, payment would be made “in the next day or so”.

07/05/19: as of today, no payment received - almost 8 weeks since car sold.

Like others, I’m extremely disappointed to find myself in this position. I find it incredible that a seemingly legitimate and well respected business can be allowed to operate in this way. I also consider myself a good judge of character, but clearly, I got it badly wrong on this occasion.

I will be reporting Andrew Mearns/Gmund to Trading Standards and contacting the local press in North Yorkshire as there are some elements to this story which could make it potentially newsworthy. The fact that Andrew’s wife, Samantha Mearns, is a local councillor and was the Company Secretary and a “person with significant control” (PSC) when the vehicle was given to them in August 2018 (resigned December 2018) or that Gmund have their Open Day on 18/05/19 is not lost on me either.

Payment has been promised this week, let’s see whether this promise is honoured.

Although I’ve done SOR before and had good experiences from the likes of JZM, not sure I’d ever do it again.

I regret that my first post on this forum is a negative one but applaud 911UK.COM for providing a platform to highlight negative experiences from those in the Porsche fraternity.



This story reminds me of this clown who I bought my car from. Ended up dragging his Mr Potato head to court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwxYSezwVg

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And winning, I hope?
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Yes. Don't waste your time with Ombudmans they are useless
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Gmund Cars Limited : NEW NEGATIVE REVIEW : MAY 2019 Reply with quote

ok51mon wrote:
Pagoda1966 wrote:
No, this isn’t a duplicate thread.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is a NEGATIVE review of Andrew Mearns/Gmund Cars Limited.

During the many sleepless nights I’ve had since late March when I first became aware of issues with Andrew Mearns/Gmund’s approach to SOR, I’ve deliberated long and hard about posting this negative review - character assassinations over minor or petty matters where there’s usually two sides to the story are just not my style. However, on this occasion, with no grey areas over the facts and numerous broken promises, I believe it my duty to warn others.

Although some might say this thread is a little premature (2 days shy of 8 weeks?) with others having waited up to 6 months before going legal/public, due to the significant sum of money involved (in excess of £50k), I am not able to be as patient or as understanding as others have been.

THE FACTS: (happy for any of this to be challenged by Andrew Mearns/Gmund):

Car handed over to Andrew Mearns/Gmund in Autumn 2018 to market on a SOR basis. Initial price quite optimistic so subsequently reduced down to £57,495 over a period of time at my request.

11/03/19 : Communication from Andrew Mearns/Gmund notifying me of interest in the car.

(I subsequently established that the car was MOT’d on 6/03/19 - wasn’t due until 1/8/19 - so I suspect this was virtually a done deal by the time I was informed).

30/03/19: DVLA notification of change of registered keeper received.

(I subsequently established via an HPI check that the change was effective 14/03/19).

30/03/19: Prompted only by communication from me, response from Andrew Mearns/Gmund that deal done but still getting car ready and plate transfer was the reason for the change of keeper.

(I know enough about buying/selling cars to know that no-one would transfer the registered keeper until payment had been received. Note, nearly 8 weeks after the change of keeper, original plate remains on the vehicle according to DVLA. Request for details of the deal struck ignored).

5/4/19: Chased Andrew Mearns/Gmund for update.

6/4/19: Chance conversation with another motor trader who was buying one of my other cars, directed me to issues with Andrew Mearns/Gmund highlighted on 911UK.COM.

(I was particularly spooked by the comment made by forum member “DPC7” that Andrew Mearns/Gmund had sold a £60k car early March so his payment could now be made - my car I presume?)

6/4/19: Request for urgent clarification of the deal reached / payment.

8/4/19: Response received - Sierra Cosworth taken in as part-exchange being delivered to its new owner 11/4/19 and payment would follow thereafter.

(They did have a Sierra Cosworth advertised on Pistonheads early March, although not on their own web-site, which I saw had been sold late March, so this seemed plausible to me. In the interests of keeping dealings friendly, I chose to overlook the fact that at least 50% of the sale proceeds had been in their possession since 14/03/19. Request for details of the deal reached again ignored).

15/04/19: Urgent update requested - no response.

22/04/19: Final warning before legal action sent.

(Not wanting to stick the knife in on a business which might have been experiencing genuine cashflow problems - although that’s not really my problem as these monies should have been ring-fenced from the business account - I asked for £25k and the balance by 10/05/19).

23/04/19: Response received - payment would be made that week with further request that I did not go public on any forums.

25/04/19: Now 6 weeks since car sold & no payment received.

28/04/19: With numerous broken promises and no realistic prospects of being paid, 911UK.COM informed and solicitor instructed.

29/04/19: Response from Andrew Mearns/Gmund, payment would be made “in the next day or so”.

07/05/19: as of today, no payment received - almost 8 weeks since car sold.

Like others, I’m extremely disappointed to find myself in this position. I find it incredible that a seemingly legitimate and well respected business can be allowed to operate in this way. I also consider myself a good judge of character, but clearly, I got it badly wrong on this occasion.

I will be reporting Andrew Mearns/Gmund to Trading Standards and contacting the local press in North Yorkshire as there are some elements to this story which could make it potentially newsworthy. The fact that Andrew’s wife, Samantha Mearns, is a local councillor and was the Company Secretary and a “person with significant control” (PSC) when the vehicle was given to them in August 2018 (resigned December 2018) or that Gmund have their Open Day on 18/05/19 is not lost on me either.

Payment has been promised this week, let’s see whether this promise is honoured.

Although I’ve done SOR before and had good experiences from the likes of JZM, not sure I’d ever do it again.

I regret that my first post on this forum is a negative one but applaud 911UK.COM for providing a platform to highlight negative experiences from those in the Porsche fraternity.



This story reminds me of this clown who I bought my car from. Ended up dragging his Mr Potato head to court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwxYSezwVg

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Pagoda1966
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another week has gone by and another promise to pay (this week) broken.

What really puzzles me is how he’s got away with it for so long. Most people know people or know “people” and surely it’s just a matter of time before he crosses the wrong person.

I’m not the balaclava & baseball bat type but other legal routes can be just as effective.

Tuesday is the final deadline day for payment. It’s then going to become very serious and expensive and I make no apologies for the impact it might have on Andrew or his business.

Very silly man if he’s willing to throw 30 years of work and his reputation away for the sake of fifty odd grand, particularly when there’s no question that he has the money ......
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that people have to be selfish and get their money back as the priority, when they eventually do they then just want to get on with their lives and it means he can do it again etc...... To do anything meaningful to stop it requires someone who is prepared to spend money on it for the principle alone and its hard for an individual to justify that Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pagoda,

I do hope that he pays up even if it is at the 11th hour.
Are you - or anyone else - planning on attending his open day this Saturday? There is something that makes me feel we should be alerting the poor innocents who don't follow this forum that Mearns is a crook. Guard
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