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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew! A marathon Saturday we had there.
13 hour stint (9am - 10pm) for me and Craig, so massive thanks to him as always.
Although we had an hour for lunch and an hour for a shakedown drive at teatime. Still a looong day.
We had a surprising amount of bother getting the system bled, but got there in the end.

I didn’t take that many pictures actually as it’s been covered before by myself and others and we were in the zone. Grin
Certainly the pictures make it look like a much quicker job than it is, but that’s always the case eh.

First job was to assemble the rad packs.
During the strip down it was clear the fan resistor clips were shot.
We couldn’t find them on the PET and guess they must only come as part of complete new brackets.
Luckily the ones that hold the small water pipe are the same diameter (or very close) so I ordered double of those.

Rusted clip -




But these fit -




Fitted -




There was also a rear cover missing from the fan that had a new resistor fitted at Autostore prior to collection.
I’m obviously not implying they lost it but it would have been nice if they’d have fitted one once they knew it was missing. They’re only £17 after all. Rolling Eyes




£70 really doesn’t go far when it comes to Porsche bits.




Pipes scrubbed out to remove any shotblast from the powder coating. Ready to fit -




Rads and condensers built up onto brackets -








Centre rad and bracket assembled. Centre rad has a few impact marks from stones but nothing that affects its function, hence we reused it -




Fitted -




Passenger side plumbed in and complete -






Drivers side plumbed in and complete -






The eagle eyed amongst you will spot my rear fan cowls aren’t present. I can only guess they’ve been ditched to aid cooling but I may source and fit some at a later date.

I did get O rings with the eBay condensers but Jamie left me 4 of the ones he fits in my ashtray at service time. Good lad. -




Once everything was built up we moved the car outside.




I gave the condensers a quick coating of ACF50. They’ll still look rubbish after 1000 miles I bet. Very Happy -




Then we started filling the system and trying to get all the air out. This was easier said than done.
No point whinging about it as it’s just one of those jobs, but eventually the rads and all pipes got hot etc as they should.

Plenty of info online but the short version is filler cap off, back end in the air, run engine with interior heater on full, keeping an eye on gauge. Once at 80 ish degrees rev up to a couple of thousand revs until thermostat opens. Put filler cap on before pressure builds and once you feel all rads getting hot.

We then checked for any leaks, topped coolant up and got ready to go for a drive.

Final jobs before going were to fit the arch liners to stop all the nice new parts getting filthy straight away -




Then it was upper ducts back on -




Finally it was the lower brake ducts.
My car still wore its large original ducts (dated ‘03), but they were tired and rattled around on the lower arms where they clip on.
New ones are £140 pair! Yep that’s right, so I fitted the 997 GT3 items, which are less than £20 for 4, 2x front and 2x rear. They’re a bit smaller but I’m sure they’ll be fine and they fit nicely which is the main thing.

Old vs new -




Fitted left -




Fitted right -




I actually posted pics of both sides incase anyone wants the part numbers but I may as well list them below really. They fit Carreras as well and are a worthwhile mod. Wink

Part numbers and prices for above -

997GT3 Front Ducts - £2.18 each plus vat
997.341.483.92
997.341.484.92.

997GT3 Rear Ducts - £6.30 each plus vat
997.331.487.92
997.331.488.92


We then headed out for a decent drive, stopping every few miles for checking/topping up the coolant.




With that done, back at home (it was 7pm by this time) we turned our attention to the front coffin arms in preparation for an alignment.

We removed these shims and old nuts -




Then fitted spacers (I had to grind a flat on for clearance) to take up the extra thread length left by the shims. K-nuts used to help with access.
Also it turned out we could squeeze 13mm nuts on the ends so a Nyloc was added behind each K-nut for good measure.




Of course removing 12mm from the track meant the wheels now towed out massively so Craig adjusted the track rod ends by eye, to get things a bit straighter.

As I’ve said it was 10pm by the time we got cleared up and got all the tools put away etc.

So on Monday I rang to book an alignment but I can’t get it in until next Monday. I really want to use the car a bit this week to get some miles on it.
I’m having the air-con regassed this afternoon so I may pop into my local tyre place nearby and just get the front tracking set, so I’m not ripping my tyres off until next Monday.

That’s about it, although I did have a tinker on on Sunday at a more leisurely pace.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:25 am    Post subject: GT3 Reply with quote

Great write up as usual. This is going to be as well sorted as your previous cars. When the yearning for an aircooled takes over you will have a waiting list of punters wanting to buy this Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, thanks very much Stichill, Smile
This one’s a keeper I hope. It was always meant to be just that, but you never know what life has around the corner so it’s best not to plan too far ahead eh. Wink

I’d love an air-cooled too but I doubt that will happen now. They aren’t for the average joe anymore. The prices are mental, even for very tired examples. One 911 is enough anyway when there are so many other cars and bikes to sample if finances allow and dynamically a 996 GT3 is about as pure and good as it gets.


Quick update while I’m on.
I claimed my Groupon air-con voucher at ATS Morpeth yesterday.
I dealt with a nice lad, who was thorough and despite being very busy he didn’t just rush it through. He talked me through it while he did it and was quite interested in the car.
Vac’d the system, pressure tested it, then filled.




All done. Lovely and cool again and a damn sight fresher Very Happy . Another small but hugely important item off the list.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread....

When you doing mine Question

If you get chance, could you list all the pipes required along with anything else.
I have a brand new set of rads and condensers boxed in the garage..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Daniel, thanks. Smile If you were nearer I’d spare you a weekend no problem.

We’ve always just reused the pipework as it always seems fine and isn’t a known weak spot or anything (unlike the glued in engine ones Surprised ).

The rigid pipes get powder coated in black as per factory finish and we polish the small alloy ones.

After powder coating the rad brackets etc, the rest is just a case of how far you want to go with new clips and fasteners, but we’ve now learnt from previous cars that Porsche fixings don’t last five minutes, so they won’t look new for long. nooo

It’s a nice little project though and more important than the cosmetic aspect, you’ll know your cooling system is tip top to protect that all important (and very expensive Wink ) engine.

If your car has had a coolant change in the past you can just top it up after the job is done. If not then it’s a bit of extra faff on and mess to do that. Nothing too hard about it though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some great work again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks rubbish Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Graham, cheers. Thumb
I hope the holiday let venture is going well? Good weather for it lately. Cool


Enough of your cheek Yk. Very Happy
Hope you’re having a good weekend where you are. I’m just having a lunch break between swapping seats over. A few snags so far but nothing major.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black on black has already grown on me, blue GT3 what now?!

Love the attention to detail, credit to you both.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read this thread, I think you have it quite bad Marky Grin very shiny now mind. Great to see a GT3 being used and enjoyed Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Marty, yep black always look good, in or out. A ***** to look after but you can’t have everything. Thumb


Hi Rich, always good to see you posting. Yes the bias will swing heavily towards use rather than fiddling soon. I just hope we’ve put it all back together properly. Surprised Grin


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so just to rattle through some minor jobs then. Going back two weekends now technically, I worked on the car a bit more on Sunday, after our long day on Saturday. Just small jobs, but a bit more leisurely and enjoyable.

So I got up on the Sunday and gave it a wash.
I took it to the end of the village to put my tyre dressing on and take a nice pic but I forgot my phone didn’t I, so here’s yet another driveway picture. Wink




I knocked off after that but found myself with a spare hour or so at teatime so thought I’d sort a couple of cosmetic niggles on the back end.

The reg plate wasn’t level and was too far over to the left. Doesn’t look bad in the pic but it was worse in person and once you’d noticed it, it was pretty obvious.




So number plate off to reveal the usual mess -




Cleaned up -




I also cleaned the toe eye cap recess up because as with every other recess/gap/join around the car, it was caked with polish thanks to the awesome (not) prep it had by Autostore prior to collection. frustrated

Before -




After -




I then moved onto the tailpipes and whilst I did try the bolts so I could remove them and polish them properly, access was poor and they were pretty tight. I didn’t have spares if I snapped a bolt, so I decided to leave well alone until winter and just polish them in-situ.
I gave them a clean with Solvol, wire wool, then a general buff up. They have some scratches from other peoples previous efforts though so I’ll whip them off and send them to a proper polishers later on maybe.

Before-




After -




All done -




Whilst on the subject of polish residue etc. The side repeaters were equally caked in it and had been caught by the buffer. I could have cleaned them up ok but I had a pair of new “old stock” ones in the loft. They’re better off on the car than sitting in the loft -




Old -




New -




Of course I swapped the new bulbs and seals over onto the old bulb holders to maintain the correct date stamps. Very Happy




Oh and one last thing on the exterior was just to clean the keyhole up in the door handle. A bit of WD40 on a cotton bud is good for this.

Before -




After -




After that I moved onto the inside and swapped out the CD drawers for a cubby hole.
I will probably do the centre console delete later on but those cubbyholes are handy for now.

Before -




After -




So that has things almost up to date now.
Boring but I always log it anyway.
I’ve been busy over the weekend sorting road-trip friendly seats and I had a much more road biased alignment done yesterday too. Oh and those Pagid RS29 pads have to go. The squealing is beyond funny now. frustrated

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, something milder seems to be the way to go. My RS29s don’t squeal #becausetrackdays

Just noticed the Autostore number plates, are you going to get a new pair made up from the original supplying OPC/dealer? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow the car presents amazingly, good work!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:


After that I moved onto the inside and swapped out the CD drawers for a cubby hole.
I will probably do the centre console delete later on but those cubbyholes are handy for now.

Before -




After -




So that has things almost up to date now.
Boring but I always log it anyway.
I’ve been busy over the weekend sorting road-trip friendly seats and I had a much more road biased alignment done yesterday too. Oh and those Pagid RS29 pads have to go. The squealing is beyond funny now. frustrated

Cheers. Thumb


Where did you get the GT3 stickers?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Yk, yes I always fit dealer plates as it looks so much better. Maybe not the supplying dealer although I might if I leave it on it’s original number. I’m debating whether to fit my plate with my initials on it. Once I decide I’ll sort new plates.
“Autostore” conjures up images of a local car parts shop selling magic trees and wheel trims. Wink
Plus I’m not too eager to advertise Autostore given that I was lied to about the level of prep the car would receive.

Hi Marty, yep each little job improves things incrementally, although the paintwork will only ever be 7 out of 10 without some refreshing by a body shop. Nothing major but it has stonechips or the odd scratch on most panels. I’ll get it a lot better when I can put some time aside to touch up and flat things down but I’m waiting until after my trip.
To most people though it’s a lovely shiny black Porsche, but I’m not most people. puh

Hi JJT, the sticker must have been added by a former keeper, so I can’t tell you where it came from, although I imagine any graphics place could create one.
To be honest I’d never given it a moments thought until you mentioned it and I’d just presumed it was standard, but a bit of googling suggests not.
Centre console delete will probably happen anyway at some point so all of that unit will disappear. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Road trip seats.

The Porsche bucket seats are superb, they hold you tight and really key you into the car, but they aren’t the most practical and the base cushions aren’t brilliant for really long stints.

The other main drawback though is that they block access to the rear, being non-reclining fixed buckets. This access is vital for luggage on longer trips, so I had to find some reclining seats to fit.

I still have the grey ones out of my old C2. They are technically my mate Ralf’s, who bought the C2, but I must have inadvertently given him a years worth of parts storage in with the cost of the car, as I somehow still have a garage full of his parts. Dont know Very Happy
Anyway I decided they’d look weird in a black interior and also the rails are now on the carbon buckets I fitted to his car.

Luckily Craig came good with his old Cobra Misanos from when his car was Cobra Seats demo car, the “Cobra RS” Grin .
Now I used to take the pee a bit as they have RS stitched into the headrests and things, but they’re actually really nice seats and they still have the rails and everything attached, so an easy swap.

So Craig brought them home from his unit at the weekend and we got cracking.
My cage was still out from last time so it was just a case of buckets out, Cobras in.

Cobras -




Comparison pic. One out, one in. The Cobras are very low. Maybe even a touch lower than the factory buckets. The rails and mounting frame are very low and flat -




Fitted -




All done and they don’t look too bad. More importantly they feel very good. The centres are Alcantara which is nice and grippy to stop you sliding about and they’re still nice and low as I’ve said. They just need a quick vacuum and wipe down now.
That was last weekends task done then.

On Monday I went for an alignment.
I decided to try a newish company up here called BTG Performance beside the Tyne Tunnel.
I’d had one or two recommendations and they have a great setup down there.
I’d already had my Indy free off all the relevant bolts etc and me and Craig had removed the shims to get back to road camber so we weren’t expecting any disasters.




Sure enough it went ok. We got things set to what I wanted which involved pretty much the same values as the machine recommended, just a touch more camber, as it said -1 degree whereas I wanted -1.5 really.
I’d usually post a photo of the “finished” printout, but unfortunately this is one of two minor issues I had at BTG. One, the printer wasn’t working so they’re going to forward the final settings on to me (as yet I’ve heard nothing) and two, despite the lad road testing it and declaring it good to go, when I drove off I quickly realised the steering wheel was pointing to the right a bit when going straight.
I turned around and went back and the lad said he’d rebook me. I asked how long it would take and he said probably half an hour. I said “well surely you can do it now? I just left 5 minutes ago”.
So they did and the steering wheel is spot on now. I wouldn’t usually be so pushy but it’s 20 miles out of my way and it should have been right first time as it was straight when I drove there.

I’ll update the thread if my printout ever turns up, but I doubt it will.
So the jury’s out on whether I’d use them again (I will if the printout comes through), but the most important thing is that the car is much improved. It’s still very stiff, as you’d expect, but it’s not hunting out every camber or rut in the road and it isn’t locking a front wheel anywhere near as much under heavy, bumpy, braking.
I have the KWs set at half way. 9 clicks out of 18 or something like that so I think I’ll take them back out to 4 or 5 to soften things a bit more.
I’m much happier at the thought of heading away in it now though and the full alignment only cost £72 which isn’t bad.

Next year I hope to make a trip to Centre Gravity for a full in-depth setup but I’ve a bit to sort by then so we’ll see.

Oh and the final settings were -
Front camber -1.5 degrees
Rear camber -1.6 degrees (that’s all we could get it back to)
Zero front toe
0.2 rear toe (toe in)
The castor is what it is, so to speak.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mark,
James (Jamesx19) has fitted some Audi sports seats to his 996. The seats themselves are excellent but what's amazing is that they were grey and he bought a kit and re-painted them. Several of us saw them recently at Precision Porsche's open day and we were very impressed. I;m sure you would never know that they weren't new, black seats.

As to the steering wheel angle, it's basic isn't it, I would expect any garage to get that right. My car came with the wheel wrong so it's a sore point, I got nearly right by refitting the wheel and CG sorted it out with the suspension last year.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike, hope you’re well.

Yes there are some good products out there these days. My seat change is only temporary though so I wanted the easiest solution. Thumb
I look forward to seeing the seats feature on James’ thread. They sound like a nice modification.

And yep, getting the steering wheel straight during an alignment is the basics surely.
I’d have been a bit miffed even if it had been wonky when it drove in, but the fact it was perfectly straight beforehand meant I had to complain.
Obviously the wheel is moulded where you hold it and your hands grip just above each spoke, hence no way of ignoring the issue. I wasn’t going to drive 3000+ miles to Italy and back sitting as if I was steering all the time. Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi marky. Just caught up on this thread. I followed your last one on the c2 and found it very helpful. I think you pointed me in the right direction when fitting my omp steering wheel iirc. Nice to see things are looking good. I e a few points/questions.
1. I had ds2500 pads in d2 8 pot calipers on my p1 impreza. First class, no squeal and worked well on the road so I’d give them a go
2. How do find the genuine gt3 seats compared to the ones you fitted in the c2? Are the copies any good? I like the look of those cobra seats.

Still well impressed on the detail you go into. I’m just completing the welding work on my c2. Id like to do a thread but there’s just so much work in it that I haven’t time. I do stick pictures up on instagram though as it’s handy. @nedhannon if anyone interested or #modified996mk1
Anyways good to see the progress
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