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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:30 am    Post subject: It's James Mays fault Reply with quote

Just got the Top Gear from 2004 when they have the nice new 997.1 C2S coupe in the Isle of Man. James May has just said "Because Porsche have been making 911's for 40 years they are very reliable"

Whooops........

Still, it beats the M6 coupe by miles even with loads less power Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw it yesterday and thought the same. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A 911 in real world conditions performance is equal to another 120bhp. I've run up against New AMG C63's and they start to walk away from me above 3 figures. Before that there is nothing in it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, wife has a BMW M240i cabrio. It's a fast car, but it has no feeling to the steering, it's just fast in a straight line. It can go round corners quickly, but you don't trust it, because it doesn't tell you what's happening. My 997 is streets ahead, has 20bhp more, but is way way quicker in spirited driving, especially if you throw some corners at it. I do always shake my head when I see things like C63 AMG's. Yes, loads of power, No, you can't use half of it. A 997 is sublime, a precision tool. Everyone should try one out, then there wouldn't be any Golf R's etc on the road!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
I saw it yesterday and thought the same. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A 911 in real world conditions performance is equal to another 120bhp. I've run up against New AMG C63's and they start to walk away from me above 3 figures. Before that there is nothing in it.


A 911 on the track is also pretty handy: we could outbrake the big powerful coupes and certainly outcorner them all too. It's only at the end of the straights - once they've built up a head of steam - when they might catch up again.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus you'll never get a shag rocking up to the boozer in a C63. Old
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this weekend's VLN results, on a very wet Nurburgring speak volumes; a win and three of the top positions went to Manthey Porsche.

Results: https://www.vln.de/wp-content/uploads/ergebnisse/2019-04-27r.html
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Plus you'll never get a shag rocking up to the boozer in a C63. Old


I'll remember that next time I decide to drive 'up North'....
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, by 2004 "Top Gear" was becoming less about cars/motoring consumer programme & more about the ego's of its presenters, a factor that would continue into "Grand Tour". The UK car buying public want a programme to help them know the truth about brands reliability. Those "in the know" in the industry will have picked up rumours about reliability issues surrounding the Porsche brand & with the M96 engine in particular by 2004. Clarkson's issue with the gear leaver coming off I his hand was just the tip of the iceberg. May's flippant comment perpetuated the now myth that Porsche reputation for solid design & engineering and "hewn from granite" build quality was suspect at the least. I for one as a new Boxster owner from 2001 was in the dark about engine issues when I traded up & ordered a 997 (delivered November 2004).
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plus you'll never get a shag rocking up to the boozer in a C63. Old


Does what car you drive really make any difference? Wonder how many on here can say they categorically got lucky due to the Pork they turned up in.

Maybe we need a thread?

Did once get a big big smile from a good looking lady pulling up to a shell on the A14. Normally it’s blokes that give the positive feedback (almost wrote love). And very often at petrol stations as it goes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're stereotyping Porsche drivers as men.

Example: If this Porsche driver rocked up at your boozer and their identical twin in a C63, which one would you want to go home with?



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, well made.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
You're stereotyping Porsche drivers as men.

Example: If this Porsche driver rocked up at your boozer and their identical twin in a C63, which one would you want to go home with?



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because then the people with no style have nobody to go home with.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Because then the people with no style have nobody to go home with.

I disagree. There are plenty for all Floor
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile in Wilmslow Rolling Eyes Grin
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to drive up to Manchester later this month.... if that is what it looks like in Wimslow, then I think that I will take the lad's VW Polo just to be on the safe side....
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike
Don't listen to Alex. That pic was taken in Clitheroe. Everyone around here drives a P1, Veyron or a 918. I've got one of each.
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Here are some cars from last weekend to put your mind at rest.
The 2 x Rolls pic was an absolute fluke. My mate visiting from Aus was trying to take a pic of the Grey one when it goto photobombed by the Blue one.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See Mike. Wpuld anyone seriously want to own those cars. What people with money and no class buy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently mrs SBSP tagged onto a Lamborghini/Bugatti convoy in Wilmslow last week, all eyes were of course on Herman yellow though Razz
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the episode

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/aston-martin-vantage-vs-bmw-m6-vs-porsche-911-part-24-series-7-episode-1
 
  
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