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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:26 pm    Post subject: Engine mounts Reply with quote

So after 11 years of ownership it's finally time to replace the engine mounts, one of the few mods left to do!

I thought the standard replacement on a C2 was C4's, but my learned friends Citori and RobIpswich have suggested wevo (blues) I believe.

Question is has anyone experience of these, and where's best to get them or indeed the C4's.

Note I have FSD's so I'm clearly not interested in a rock hard ride.

Also is it worth doing the gearbox one at the same time?

Thanks as ever in advance for thoughts, advice and even pi** taking!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with the C4s and leave the gearbox mount alone. It's a difficult job on rwd and they have an easy life unlike the engine mounts.
I have RS engine and gearbox mounts a noticeable increase in transmission noise.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the rennline semi solid mounts using the softest option. They are excellent
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have gone RS, I find the whine a little too much, so may change at some point to something a little less harsh.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car has 110K under its belt, and the C4 mounts made a very worthwhile difference to the car's handling by being better at restraining the engine's movement.

The front (gearbox) mount is also on the list for replacement and is undoubtedly worn, with visual perishing.

At 25 or so years old, if we want our cars to handle like new-ish ones, these items need to be renewed.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also planning to do the engine mounts on my C2 and have been recommended to use the RS ones. However noise and vibration concern me and from the comments above it seems there is an increase.

My usage is as a road car and in a bid to keep it original I have considered using the original C2 mounts but they are considerably more expensive.

If I go down the C4 route are there any differences at all that have been noticed with ease of fitting, noise or vibration and also longevity. From photographs the C4 mounts appear a little shorter and for some reason the C2 mounts are left and right versions. Any thoughts appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike_993 wrote:
I am also planning to do the engine mounts on my C2 and have been recommended to use the RS ones. However noise and vibration concern me and from the comments above it seems there is an increase.

My usage is as a road car and in a bid to keep it original I have considered using the original C2 mounts but they are considerably more expensive.

If I go down the C4 route are there any differences at all that have been noticed with ease of fitting, noise or vibration and also longevity. From photographs the C4 mounts appear a little shorter and for some reason the C2 mounts are left and right versions. Any thoughts appreciated.


I have the C4 mounts in my C2, I changed them at120K miles. Excellent upgrade and no difference in noise levels. I noticed straight away the difference in clutch pickup .... the car felt a lot smoother on pull off.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're an FSD man then I'd say go C4's, I put these on my Targa, pretty much the same as the C2's visually but I don't think they carry the liquid that the C2's do which are very expensive.

Fitting wise is pretty much the same, however the thick (shaped)washers do not fit into the c4 mounts so you will have to spin them round. Other than that it's plug and play.

New gearbox mount is a tough job with engine/box in situ, in fact it was pesky with gearbox on the bench.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the C4 mounts in my C2, I changed them at120K miles. Excellent upgrade and no difference in noise levels. I noticed straight away the difference in clutch pickup .... the car felt a lot smoother on pull off.[/quote]

I fitted the C4 mounts in my 2S, excellent result with no downsides!

Didn't realise how worn the C2 mounts were until I fitted these, rear was so much more stable and the engine lifted almost an inch!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your replies and advice for which I am very grateful. This forum is really great and a good 993 contingent.

Seems C4 is definately the way to go so will order these in. As an aside anyone fitted Dansk suspension arms / wishbones? Heritage VW sell them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike_993 wrote:

Seems C4 is definately the way to go so will order these in. As an aside anyone fitted Dansk suspension arms / wishbones? Heritage VW sell them.


I did contemplate them but ended up going for Porsche in the end, mostly new but some refurbed but all Porsche.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS mounts are cheaper than C2 mounts, but to be honest I didn't notice any dufference in noise or stability.

My car still "wobbles" when I am idling at traffic lights, which I was very surprised at after changing the mounts.

Maybe its time for a suspension refresh. Those too are 25yrs old!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone wants a set of 993 RS engine mounts PM me Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running Wevo Semi-Solid Mounts and very happy with the increased rigidity over the worn originals. Solid/RS Mounts may be a tad too much for regular road use IMO.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the feedback fellas.

If I go the C4 route any suggestions where best to get them?

I'm assuming Wevo's are only via Wevo themselves?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

acme wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback fellas.

If I go the C4 route any suggestions where best to get them?

I'm assuming Wevo's are only via Wevo themselves?

Cheers


The rennline ones are available here and highly recommended

https://www.design911.co.uk/mobile/#part;id=130028
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costed up mounts from OPC today with discount.
£246.15 for pair of C4 mounts. £544.36 for pair of C2. Would be great to understand what makes the C2 s so much more as I would prefer to keep as original as possible.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I'd just get the C4 mounts, fit them and be satisfied with a job well done. Mine has C4 mounts fitted and I cannot detect any difference apart from the fact that the engine is properly restrained.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9xxnick wrote:
Honestly, I'd just get the C4 mounts, fit them and be satisfied with a job well done. Mine has C4 mounts fitted and I cannot detect any difference apart from the fact that the engine is properly restrained.


+1 no difference at all IMHO.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for all the replies fellas, I'll be getting C4's Thumb
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