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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject: Thinking of buying a 991.1 - But have some questions.... Reply with quote

I'm thinking of buying a 991.1 C2S. Mainly because I want to experience the 3.8 NA engine, and being the last NA engine of it's kind, believe it will be classic in years to come.

I've seen what looks like a good 2015 example in Silver with 14.5k on the clock. I want to use it as a DD in place of my Macan GTS.

Are there any issues with 991.1's I should be aware of? Especially now it's out of warranty?

And in terms of buying a 24 month warranty from Porsche, is this possible and how much does that usually cost? And is Porsche Assistance included?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPC warranty is just under £2500 when you factor in the 111 point check
and you get Porsche Assist

The key point, has it been correctly serviced at the 2 and 4 year interval ?

Oil leaks can occur but making sure it's had its 4 year service is a plus
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking of buying a 991.1 - But have some questions.... Reply with quote

991.2GTS wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a 991.1 C2S. Mainly because I want to experience the 3.8 NA engine, and being the last NA engine of it's kind, believe it will be classic in years to come.

I've seen what looks like a good 2015 example in Silver with 14.5k on the clock. I want to use it as a DD in place of my Macan GTS.

Are there any issues with 991.1's I should be aware of? Especially now it's out of warranty?

And in terms of buying a 24 month warranty from Porsche, is this possible and how much does that usually cost? And is Porsche Assistance included?


If Carlsberg did confusing usernames Dont know Grin if you buy from an OPC of course, the 2 year warranty is obviously included. Buying the warranty you can take the assistance as an extra to the warranty. Not sure its worth it really, disappointing when the RAC turn up.

Not sure there’s much to worry about on a 3 year old low miles car. Great choice though, the last of the NA, future classic for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I’m buying from a dealer rather than OPC. I’ve been out for a spin in it this afternoon. Felt great, and that engine sounds so good. A much better tune than my 991.2 kicks out.

I’m going to mull it over, they offered £57k for the Macan, which I think is fair. So, I have a decision to make. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought 991.1 C2S a few weeks ago & loving it, the sports exhaust sound & 3.8 NA is addictive & ace, its interesting to note that you might be swapping from a 991.2
I think in time this may well be the way to go, people will want the nicer sounding non turbo. Question
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.2GTS wrote:
Thanks for the info. I’m buying from a dealer rather than OPC. I’ve been out for a spin in it this afternoon. Felt great, and that engine sounds so good. A much better tune than my 991.2 kicks out.

I’m going to mull it over, they offered £57k for the Macan, which I think is fair. So, I have a decision to make. Confused



Hamster, think it’s a twin stable of 991’s 👍 Your only issue is you’ll need to wait 90 days if you want to put the OPC warranty on Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to seeing your yellow one at one of the meets, I've missed a couple when you were there, they are ace, I keep going in to the garage for a look & using any excuse to have a run out, that's a sign of a car you love.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamster75 wrote:
I've bought 991.1 C2S a few weeks ago & loving it, the sports exhaust sound & 3.8 NA is addictive & ace, its interesting to note that you might be swapping from a 991.2
I think in time this may well be the way to go, people will want the nicer sounding non turbo. Question


As per Spongebob, I’m keeping the 991.2. I love it, but I blame that for now considering a 991.1. After driving a 911, mainly at weekends etc. for the last couple of months, and then going back to the Macan as a DD, as good as it is, it’s just not doing it for me. And I don’t really need a four seater, or the boot space.

And the 991.1 C2S is the perfect option I reckon. A stellar engine, rwd and a future classic, which will give me enough difference between that and a 991.2 C4GTS.

The only thing holding me back is having too much of a good thing, does saving my 911 for weekends etc. preserve the magic in some way? If I get to drive one every day, will it kill the excitement I feel every time I get in it?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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991.2GTS wrote:
Thanks for the info. I’m buying from a dealer rather than OPC. I’ve been out for a spin in it this afternoon. Felt great, and that engine sounds so good. A much better tune than my 991.2 kicks out.

I’m going to mull it over, they offered £57k for the Macan, which I think is fair. So, I have a decision to make. Confused



Hamster, think it’s a twin stable of 991’s 👍 Your only issue is you’ll need to wait 90 days if you want to put the OPC warranty on Thumb


Thanks, that’s good to know. That may sway me towards buying from an OPC, if it comes down to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hamster75 wrote:
I've bought 991.1 C2S a few weeks ago & loving it, the sports exhaust sound & 3.8 NA is addictive & ace, its interesting to note that you might be swapping from a 991.2
I think in time this may well be the way to go, people will want the nicer sounding non turbo. Question


As per Spongebob, I’m keeping the 991.2. I love it, but I blame that for now considering a 991.1. After driving a 911, mainly at weekends etc. for the last couple of months, and then going back to the Macan as a DD, as good as it is, it’s just not doing it for me. And I don’t really need a four seater, or the boot space.

And the 991.1 C2S is the perfect option I reckon. A stellar engine, rwd and a future classic, which will give me enough difference between that and a 991.2 C4GTS.

The only thing holding me back is having too much of a good thing, does saving my 911 for weekends etc. preserve the magic in some way? If I get to drive one every day, will it kill the excitement I feel every time I get in it?


Wow that is a nice dilemma, but would you do your 991.2 justice after driving all week in 991.1 maybe it would seem like an anti climax, I have mine as a weekend only so there is a always sense of excitement every time I get behind the wheel, not like a work car that puts me in a place just a commuter.
I think given your choice I would just use the GTS & save the money
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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991.2GTS wrote:
Hamster75 wrote:
I've bought 991.1 C2S a few weeks ago & loving it, the sports exhaust sound & 3.8 NA is addictive & ace, its interesting to note that you might be swapping from a 991.2
I think in time this may well be the way to go, people will want the nicer sounding non turbo. Question


As per Spongebob, I’m keeping the 991.2. I love it, but I blame that for now considering a 991.1. After driving a 911, mainly at weekends etc. for the last couple of months, and then going back to the Macan as a DD, as good as it is, it’s just not doing it for me. And I don’t really need a four seater, or the boot space.

And the 991.1 C2S is the perfect option I reckon. A stellar engine, rwd and a future classic, which will give me enough difference between that and a 991.2 C4GTS.

The only thing holding me back is having too much of a good thing, does saving my 911 for weekends etc. preserve the magic in some way? If I get to drive one every day, will it kill the excitement I feel every time I get in it?


Wow that is a nice dilemma, but would you do your 991.2 justice after driving all week in 991.1 maybe it would seem like an anti climax, I have mine as a weekend only so there is a always sense of excitement every time I get behind the wheel, not like a work car that puts me in a place just a commuter.
I think given your choice I would just use the GTS & save the money


I think you might be right. As much as I’d love to be in a 911 every day, I think it would kill some of the excitement I now get. I’m like a big kid the night before I pick it up too, as it’s in storage between drives.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 991.1 is a strange beast. Coming from a 997.2 which I loved, and hating the 991 at first, one drive of the 991.1, especially with the power pack and PSE, the 997.2 was quickly forgotten, and it’s all down to the sound, plus the whole car feels alive and light compared to the 997.2.
Anyway in my (crazy) world using (man maths) and OCD ( is the GTS going to be special enough?) Not sure re the 991.1 and 991.2GTS configurations as daily and weekender...using man maths and your combined budget (ok theres maybe some extra money required) I’d be thinking something like 991.1 as the daily, and GT3 991.1 as the weekender to replace the GTS:dont know: Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
The 991.1 is a strange beast. Coming from a 997.2 which I loved, and hating the 991 at first, one drive of the 991.1, especially with the power pack and PSE, the 997.2 was quickly forgotten, and it’s all down to the sound, plus the whole car feels alive and light compared to the 997.2.
Anyway in my (crazy) world using (man maths) and OCD ( is the GTS going to be special enough?) Not sure re the 991.1 and 991.2GTS configurations as daily and weekender...using man maths and your combined budget (ok theres maybe some extra money required) I’d be thinking something like 991.1 as the daily, and GT3 991.1 as the weekender to replace the GTS:dont know: Grin
Basically bin the .2 Dont know Floor


Very Happy A GT3 is the dream. And the dealer I was at today had a lovely 991.1 example in for £120k. Could swap the GTS plus a bit of cash for it I guess, but the 991.2 was my first 911, and I got to spec it myself. And if I get my way, I’ll keep it forever.

However, I would be tempted to chuck in both the GTS and Macan and go for a 991.2 GT3 Touring if the prices come down a bit. And then use my Raleigh Grifter as a DD.
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As has already been said, I really do not think the 4 would feel special if you were pottering round in a 2s each day, just not enough difference.

I bought a C4s in Jan and use it as a daily, I wake up looking forward to the drive to the office, I’d just use your .2 every day and get your moneys worth as prices will only go one way!
 
  
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Maybe consider a 997.2 GTS? It has the 3.8 with power pack and sports exhaust... a manual one, last of the non EPAS 911s would surely be a reasonable place to put your money, and offer something different to the 991 for high days and holidays.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
Maybe consider a 997.2 GTS? It has the 3.8 with power pack and sports exhaust... a manual one, last of the non EPAS 911s would surely be a reasonable place to put your money, and offer something different to the 991 for high days and holidays.


I think the 991 would be the one for high days and holidays Grin
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Recently upgraded from a 996.2 to a 991.1 C2S.
Its my daily drive (as was my 996).

Cannot wait to get up and drive it each day. Similar feeling towards the end of the day.

Its an absolute beast. Feels way too fast (glad I didn't go for a turbo), light, agile, on rails through the bends. I was always a manual guy, but the PDK is superb and a lot of fun.

I looked at a number of private, dealer and OPC cars. I wanted a well sorted, warranted car so plumped for an OPC car with 2 years warranty. Yes you pay more for it, but some of the other cars I looked at and had inspected (get a PPI if you buy outside of OPC) required several thousand pounds of work to be spot on. Then I would have had to pay for OPC warranty on top.

OPC will warrant cars before their 15th birthday and something like 125k.
Its approx. £1k for 12 months or £1700 for two years plus circa £250 inspection. If you buy outside OPC network, you have to wait three months to apply warranty. You will need basics like matching N tyres and Porsche battery - there goes another £1500 if the car is not right!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrade Reply with quote

coopertrooper2001 wrote:
Recently upgraded from a 996.2 to a 991.1 C2S.
Its my daily drive (as was my 996).

Cannot wait to get up and drive it each day. Similar feeling towards the end of the day.

Its an absolute beast. Feels way too fast (glad I didn't go for a turbo), light, agile, on rails through the bends. I was always a manual guy, but the PDK is superb and a lot of fun.

I looked at a number of private, dealer and OPC cars. I wanted a well sorted, warranted car so plumped for an OPC car with 2 years warranty. Yes you pay more for it, but some of the other cars I looked at and had inspected (get a PPI if you buy outside of OPC) required several thousand pounds of work to be spot on. Then I would have had to pay for OPC warranty on top.

OPC will warrant cars before their 15th birthday and something like 125k.
Its approx. £1k for 12 months or £1700 for two years plus circa £250 inspection. If you buy outside OPC network, you have to wait three months to apply warranty. You will need basics like matching N tyres and Porsche battery - there goes another £1500 if the car is not right!


Thanks for the info, if I decide to go ahead, I think I'll have to find one at an OPC, rather than a dealer.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrade Reply with quote

coopertrooper2001 wrote:
Recently upgraded from a 996.2 to a 991.1 C2S.
Its my daily drive (as was my 996).

Cannot wait to get up and drive it each day. Similar feeling towards the end of the day.

Its an absolute beast. Feels way too fast (glad I didn't go for a turbo), light, agile, on rails through the bends. I was always a manual guy, but the PDK is superb and a lot of fun.

I looked at a number of private, dealer and OPC cars. I wanted a well sorted, warranted car so plumped for an OPC car with 2 years warranty. Yes you pay more for it, but some of the other cars I looked at and had inspected (get a PPI if you buy outside of OPC) required several thousand pounds of work to be spot on. Then I would have had to pay for OPC warranty on top.

OPC will warrant cars before their 15th birthday and something like 125k.
Its approx. £1k for 12 months or £1700 for two years plus circa £250 inspection. If you buy outside OPC network, you have to wait three months to apply warranty. You will need basics like matching N tyres and Porsche battery - there goes another £1500 if the car is not right!


Grin Its an absolute beast. Feels way too fast (glad I didn't go for a turbo), light, agile, on rails through the bends. I was always a manual guy, but the PDK is superb and a lot of fun.
I thought this was just me! Because its larger than its 997 predecessor, you sort of expect it to feel heavier, the reality is very different!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrade Reply with quote

coopertrooper2001 wrote:
Recently upgraded from a 996.2 to a 991.1 C2S.
Its my daily drive (as was my 996).

Cannot wait to get up and drive it each day. Similar feeling towards the end of the day.

Its an absolute beast. Feels way too fast (glad I didn't go for a turbo), light, agile, on rails through the bends. I was always a manual guy, but the PDK is superb and a lot of fun.

I looked at a number of private, dealer and OPC cars. I wanted a well sorted, warranted car so plumped for an OPC car with 2 years warranty. Yes you pay more for it, but some of the other cars I looked at and had inspected (get a PPI if you buy outside of OPC) required several thousand pounds of work to be spot on. Then I would have had to pay for OPC warranty on top.

OPC will warrant cars before their 15th birthday and something like 125k.
Its approx. £1k for 12 months or £1700 for two years plus circa £250 inspection. If you buy outside OPC network, you have to wait three months to apply warranty. You will need basics like matching N tyres and Porsche battery - there goes another £1500 if the car is not right!


I'm also getting a 991.1 C2S next week! But coming in from an 16 month old Audi RS5 - so the 911 is much lighter, but short on torque compared to the RS5 - but that's OK - I'll just use more revs.

It'll also be my daily - so spooky that so many have had the same idea - so recently! Anyway I hope one and all enjoy howling round the country with the all important PSE switched ON! Smile
 
  
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