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cableguy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phib wrote:
I have to say I like the look ( perhaps not the fit or interior)

I am keen to build my rs alike ( not a replica, just the car I want)

Does anyone have an idea of the cost for, front spoiler (Rsr / gt2 style) rear clubsport spoiler and side skirts.

Probably go replica but there seem to be so many variations, hard to know which ones are good and bad

Then I guess there are three options on the wheels

Speedlines
Tramont
Veloce

Any advice would be welcome

Thanks


It really depends on your budget... Do your research re aftermarket RS Kits as bodyshop labour time can soon add up trying to make an ill fitting kit fit your car. OEM may be more expensive but you can guarantee fitting, fit and finish will be excellent.

Have a look at Carnewal for prices.

Wheels again is down to budget.
Speedlines £5k+
Tramonts £3-4k
Veloce £800

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Luddite
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it very interesting to note your comments guys, and thanks for allowing me to do so.

Having owned a few Porsches the first of which was rather ROTTEN in places and having repaired and restored my cars over quite a number of years and in the process come across quite a number of issues requiring a measure of maintenance and repair, I even bashed the bodywork of one of my 911`s on track and grudged repairing THAT... Duh! To expect that any OLD car might be as NEW or better seems a tad...err..well, over optimistic, given even a car never driven from new and stored in a controlled environment for a number of years is likely to suffer some sort of issues relative to lack of use if expected to perform as it`s counterparts did when new and used on the road..?

Do you think that Porsches would never ever have been other than greatly cared for.... hmm..? Ever been to a track day and heard rev limiters in action..ouch! Never had a car park scratch, or worse, sure you would gladly pay out for a whole new panel and the disturbance to the rest of the vehicle to fit it, rather than use a dollop of filler as part of the repair process...? Perhaps a similar splodge of loy for repair to a spot of rust showing through the paintwork which could be disguising considerable corrosion elsewhere in the structure of the vehicle..?

How many Porsches of circa 30 years old or older do you expect may not have had patches welded in to STRUCTURAL areas let alone to outer panels, and some filler utilised in places.... REALLY..?

Vehicles that have suffered accident and subsequent generally good quality repair may be expected to have filler used in places to create a smooth appearance to some sort of repair on a panel that would be considered far too invasive or expensive to replace.... RELATIVE to the value of the vehicle....? Porsches being somewhat high value attract all varieties of artisans to repair them as do many "Classic" cars, utilising a variety of means fair and foul... What are the chances of a mix of chicken wire and filler with fibre strands to help it bridge holes when being applied over the wire.... even in structural areas.... There sure is a lot of painted, pretty and highly polished scrap out there presenting it`s self as having investment potential...hmm..?

As for the vehicle in question, I know nothing of it but would not have expectations of it being anything like as good as new... As for it`s worth, well it seems a Porsche forum might be expected to be less than interested in undermining the INVESTMENT value of any Porsche, given so many Porsche owners have so much money tied up in them, though some do seem to have an educated eye and a knowledge of what to look for when evaluating the worth of a Porsche both as a sports car to be used as such, and as an investment vehicle, either partly or wholly, and who does not to some degree rely on current and hoped for future market evaluation when borrowing or buying into Porsche ownership...?

On the other hand there are I suspect many who have invested a great deal more time and money in a "classic" car than it`s current or projected future value in monetary terms and knew beforehand that their investment would not pay out in that regard...while their returns in terms of ownership may well have paid dividends in excess of the market value at any time during their custodian of the machine...?

I suspect almost any dodgy or rotten old Porsche has the potential to be enjoyed in a variety of ways, that to many might seem quite mad..? Been there done that.. Might just do it again... Question
 
  
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Marky911
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Luddite, even 993s are 25 year old now.
If people were to go and view a normal car that was 25 years old they would expect a right old banger yet a 25 year old Porsche should somehow present itself perfectly.
Unfortunately, this is a result of the investment brigade. Only the best of the best, original, low mileage cars are worth anything apparently. This in turn means people simply stop driving them and heaven forbid they tinker or modify a one.
I’m more realistic in that I’ll do what I want with a car and use it. If there’s a part I can fit that I prefer the look of then I will. Obviously that should be a genuine period correct part but whatever.
That’s a whole other subject though.

Regarding the damage or repairs to old cars, yep most will have them.
The internet is a double edged sword though. It’s superb for sharing info, as this thread has proved with the above car, it also means though that nothing is a secret anymore and once a cars history is in the public domain, it is tarnished and becomes a hard sell.

So whilst I’m not dead against small minor repairs, I wouldn’t buy a car that was known publicly to have a skeleton in its closet as I like to know whatever car I own would be an easy-ish sell should life throw me a curve ball.

One last point is there’s a big difference between proper metalwork repairs with a skim of filler to perfect it, compared to a big dollop of filler slopped in for a quick repair.
I’m just talking generally here, not in relation to the car discussed above.
So as ever pictures are crucial when restoring anything.

The classic Porsche market is a fickle one though and it isn’t going to get any better. nooo
 
  
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Luddite
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Investment brigade...hmm..? I suspect most folk in the UK who have been able to buy their own home see it as an investment whereas in other countries/cultures, homes may not be looked upon as other than somewhere that their family can live long term that has a cost associated with it ..? If that is the case then it seems we in the UK have adopted "investment potential" as part of our culture when making some spending decisions..?

I`m guessing the car culture thing is related to disposable income and the ability to borrow against vehicles add the two together and it seems there is room for a bit of horse trading to create a MARKET and in that sort of market there is ever a risk of over heating and general trading practices...gamblers, winners and losers, etc.etc.etc. One has only to look at the banking crisis to see the way the market in many things collapsed overnight ... even homes..not that their ability to accommodate people had altered, more that folk had overvalued them in monetary terms and as investments relative to their BASE value and if they had borrowed money to pay the one time much higher market value they were in negative equity or worse still..out of a home..!!!

In Porsche terms... hmm? I suspect there will be few who buy a Porsche to enjoy it for that which it is, and care not a jot whether it might be worth anything at all if/when their interest moves on..? I guess the other side of that coin are those that risk rather too much in order to have the car of their dreams, and their financial security is dependant upon re-sale at some time with at least a perception of a high percentage of returns on the indebtedness they got into in order to own a Porsche at least for a while..? And between those two will perhaps be the majority who may not be entirely dependant on resale at any given time, but seek and find comfort in the possibility that they may not loose as much in depreciation on a Porsche as a mid to high end mundanemobile would over a similar period of time..?

Marky, No argument that cars with an unfortunate history can be greatly be devalued in the MARKET , however market value and the value of the vehicle relative to the potential it may have in providing sensory expectations while driving it, may be on average just as good or in some cases better as one at twice the price in terms of the market evaluation...? But.. then again that same car with a tarnished record has to be looked at carefully should there be a chance that one might NEED to try to cash it in due to some unforeseen future event and once again investment potential relative to returns comes into play...?

Repair processes...hmm..? I suspect we may have a good idea that once a piece of metal has been creased and the crease is dressed out to some degree and smoothed over with some filler, that if it is subjected to whatever forces caused it to crease and from the same direction chances are that it will be less resistant to crease than were it as good as new..? So I guess we are considering passenger safety relative to the possible reduction in structural integrity...as opposed to some filler used to repair a car park shopping trolley incident..?

As I have typed elsewhere on the forum, some years back I became friendly with the guys in the stores at the then local OPC and around that time they had just taken on a Ferrari dealership. I had asked the storeman if he found any difference ordering parts from Ferrari compared to his years of Porsche experience.... His eyes looked skywards followed by an expletive. He proceeded to tell me that they had a stolen and recovered recent model Ferrari in, where the door lock had been tampered with to the extent it had damaged the door panel around the lock, the new door skin arrived, it fitted where it touched and would require ..err.. intrusive attention to make it fit in any way considered reasonable, so they binned that idea and sent for a complete door.... Same issue..! In the end they dressed out the damaged area no doubt using some small measure of filler to achieve the final invisible repair..... Wonder if whoever owns it now has any idea that the door was repaired or that the thief likely did not wait till the engine was thoroughly warmed through before he gave it the beans....Yeah right, we can take it as read, that which any sports car has gone through during it`s life is unlikely to match the story the seller might like us to believe or the MARKET might generally wish to promote in general relative to the marque... Question Question Question
 
  
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AP90
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd buy this one

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8670

Sports seats Varioram, engine,10-20K spare to fiddle with, Cat C.....who cares

M709 is a bit "mutton dressed as lamb" IMHO and that silly spoiler doesn't even look good on the real thing.............

Good luck whatever you decide
 
  
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Marky911
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4. nooo

I happen to love the RS look. Even moreso the big wing version. Razz

Oh and Cat C. Not for me. Ok for something to be used and abused but as I keeper I couldn’t be happy with a Cat car.
 
  
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Endoman
Barcelona


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AP90 wrote:
I'd buy this one

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8670

Sports seats Varioram, engine,10-20K spare to fiddle with, Cat C.....who cares

M709 is a bit "mutton dressed as lamb" IMHO and that silly spoiler doesn't even look good on the real thing.............

Good luck whatever you decide

I know this car as it lives about 1/2 a mile from me. Last seen at Tescos.
Seems a good buy as a user vehicle rather than an investment. More than could be said for this one:-
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Jet Jock
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endoman wrote:
AP90 wrote:
I'd buy this one

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8670

Sports seats Varioram, engine,10-20K spare to fiddle with, Cat C.....who cares

M709 is a bit "mutton dressed as lamb" IMHO and that silly spoiler doesn't even look good on the real thing.............

Good luck whatever you decide

I know this car as it lives about 1/2 a mile from me. Last seen at Tescos.
Seems a good buy as a user vehicle rather than an investment. More than could be said for this one:-


I love the story around that one..
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Luddite
Monza


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it lived half a mile from me I would be round there having a look see... The cat C thing is not a BIG deal for me, though to ignore the possible issues would seem less than wise...?

First off buying is easy though selling a cat C on at any future time may be less than easy, you could quite simply be stuck with it for quite some time, thus if you were ever likely to want or NEED to cash in....hmm..??

What`s the chance of even trading in a Cat C car in at any future time for anything else ....??

So once bought chances are you may have it longer than you think or want..?

As far as I am aware that a cat C vehicles reg plate can not be changed, so perhaps no chance of you putting your "private" or any other plate on it to disguise it`s identity during your ownership.... so ever the risk of being pointed out at Porsche events as ....whatever.

Flood damage ...hmm.. I think these days all flood damage cars are scrapped by insurance companies, think the issue is possible sewage contamination..though not sure..?

But were it to have no rot issues relative to box sections having been flooded electronics or obvious imminent engine overhaul issues I could be tempted...Though not too sure about a Porsche with 4WD, never driven one of those, could all seem a tad sanitised relative to my old 911`s Question

I suspect that rather mucky Porsche might have been saved if it were in the UK, though suspect the US has a different sense of values...?

What about this for a Porsche insurance claim.. Embarassed
 



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet Jock wrote:
Endoman wrote:

........ More than could be said for this one:-


I love the story around that one..


Is that the yellow one that spent a few months in an Italian river - now the subject of an RS re-creation?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyS wrote:
Jet Jock wrote:
Endoman wrote:

........ More than could be said for this one:-


I love the story around that one..


Is that the yellow one that spent a few months in an Italian river - now the subject of an RS re-creation?


It's a Rennlist thread about a guy "renovating" that vehicle. I admire his ambition but it does appear to be a lost cause. I think yes he's going to make it an RS Replica........or similar, I imagine he's very wealthy

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/1120397-project-limoncella-restoring-993-into-a-cup-rsr-1-1-tribute.html
 
  
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