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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rojdog wrote:


I don't know if this is true but I read the production of 991s outnumbers the amount made of each previous 911 generation combined.

Staggering IF true!



It's NOT true.

The 991 was the most produced model of 911 and represents about 20% of the total.

See --> http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=131602&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=991
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never, along with lots of other potential classics, they will be taxed off the road long before they can achieve that status .
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
I get the point though, if i was told my car is worth 12k, and engine rebuild is 10k, it is a no brainer to write it off, as most will do.


Not sure that is true: I've spent way more than the value of my car on the (re?)build. Admittedly it's not just a standard fix the engine and get back on the road project but there was definitely not much 'brainer' involved! It was all heart Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 997.1 will become a classic when there are no 997.2s left.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nigel99 wrote:
The 997.1 will become a classic when there are no 996s left.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ford Capri is a Classic.......just saying :?:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.scottjamesoflytham.co.uk/detail/301938/used-ford-capri-2-8-2-8i-3dr-lytham-st-annes
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember all these "when will they become a classic" discussions years ago about Mk1 escorts, minis, beetles, MkII cortinas etc.

The naysayers said never, there were far too many of them produced.
 
  
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There will always be two schools of thought on this subject , I didn't buy my 997.2 to make any money, which is just as well as I have spent 25k on it in repairs in the past year Grin I brought it to enjoy driving it in this the one life we have . Grin Grin I intend to drive it ,enjoy it and thats my only consideration.
I am always surprised at guys that only do a few hundred miles a year in theirs incase they devalue it , not sure what the point of owning it is. but everyone to their own Thumb Thumb

I think I almost hope they don't became classics with high value as then I would start to be scared to drive it and I risk becoming one of those people that I don't understand, with a high value car in the garage that they dont use and dont enjoy driving. what do they actually do do they get their kicks from standing staring at it and thinking about what its worth , seems very odd they are not even enjoying the money its worth . maybe its a mind set I just dont understand Grin Grin
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
There will always be two schools of thought on this subject , I didn't buy my 997.2 to make any money, which is just as well as I have spent 25k on it in repairs in the past year Grin I brought it to enjoy driving it in this the one life we have . Grin Grin I intend to drive it ,enjoy it and thats my only consideration.
I am always surprised at guys that only do a few hundred miles a year in theirs incase they devalue it , not sure what the point of owning it is. but everyone to their own Thumb Thumb

I think I almost hope they don't became classics with high value as then I would start to be scared to drive it and I risk becoming one of those people that I don't understand, with a high value car in the garage that they dont use and dont enjoy driving. what do they actually do do they get their kicks from standing staring at it and thinking about what its worth , seems very odd they are not even enjoying the money its worth . maybe its a mind set I just dont understand Grin Grin



I'm with you on this one, although i thankfully haven't spent so much on mine!

I'd love an RS 4.0, but i was thinking, say i'd bought it new, would i be too scared to actually drive it now if i had one, what if it's value increased by another £100K or more, would i sell it? If i did then what would i replace it with? It's pretty much the dream car for me but what's the point if you don't enjoy what it's built for and just stare at numbers on a piece of paper of what you could have for it.

As for them becoming classics, i think, yes and no really. The automotive industry is at a real peak with the all the new electric technology about to become a lot more readily available etc etc, the end of petrol cars will have an affect to some extent in the future, but more in terms of nostalgia than value. The classics that are classics in terms of value now, will always be the higher valued in my eyes, because they're the first of their generation, and not so mass produced. Same with older Fords, the first hot hatches etc. Same with Ferraris etc, look what a LaFerrari fetches compared to a 250 GTO, same thing, just on a different scale.

996/997 Carreras will be a classic in terms of nostalgia as it was at a balance of still being N/A/an analogue driving experience without too many driver assist electronics and tech. They're better handling and faster than 964's/993's but they'll never be worth as much. Drive them, maintain them and enjoy them i say, absolutely love mine and can't see that i'll ever sell it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's already a classic. Well that was easy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you factor in VED and other maintenance costs, even if the value of a car goes up significantly over the course of several years, it's unlikely to generate an IRR above a couple of percent anyway. I just view car ownership as an exercise in minimising depreciation and on that front most 997s will be better than a lot of alternatives.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classic = expensive/overpriced.

I’d far sooner they remained appreciated only by those who know so we can all enjoy them!
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