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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:19 am    Post subject: When will 997.1 be a classic? Reply with quote

I was just looking at the number of cars for sale on here - the numbers are slowly going down..

997 - 72
996 - 32

I give it another 10 years before we see 5 or 6 for sale on both models.

At the same time, I think demand for a 911 NA, petrol and manual car will go crazy.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are hundreds for sale on autrader ie those for sale on here are not representative of the market Bandit

There will always be less for sale than more mainstream makes as there where simply less made but if your talking “classic” in the sense of air cooled Porsche’s again you have to remember that from the 996 Porsche made a lot more cars (which they needed to do to save the business ie less cost to build over car) and so I doubt you will get to the level of 5 or 6 of a particular model for sale as you do with the current classics......... but that does not mean they won’t be classics (but again you have to remember the 991.1 will be the last of the NA not the 997 Wink)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with a lot of what you say, however 997.2 and 991.1 are 95% PDK and 100% DFI.

(Clearly I am favouring the 997.1 as I have one!!)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A classic as defined by classic insurance is when a car is 20 years old.
In reality 996 and 997 were spat off the line like sausages in the factory so not really rare.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In reality 996 and 997 were spat off the line like sausages in the factory so not really rare.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's deffo some Bangers out there.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say there were too many 997’s made for it to become s real classic, not for a good many years anyway! Excepting the GT cars of course!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DucatiRob wrote:
I'd say there were too many 997’s made for it to become s real classic, not for a good many years anyway! Excepting the GT cars of course!


I could start a whole discussion about non-GT/turbo cars being written off due to engine issues and of low values as a result of perceived future costs and speculate about how long it will be before the majority of remaining 997.1 cars ARE GT/turbo variants, but I won't.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be fixed!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
It can be fixed!


Yes, but in the lifetime of the cars, as values drop, there will be a point where it isn't worth it to fix them, many will be put beyond use by this.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that is what it will take, and the ones still standing may command good money down the line.

I get the point though, if i was told my car is worth 12k, and engine rebuild is 10k, it is a no brainer to write it off, as most will do.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
I guess that is what it will take, and the ones still standing may command good money down the line.

I get the point though, if i was told my car is worth 12k, and engine rebuild is 10k, it is a no brainer to write it off, as most will do.


You would be amazed how few people with that value of car and that cost of rebuild do not write off the car but sink that shed load of money into a rebuild. What is the evidence? Simple. Just look at the volume of rebuilds at any Indy and specialists such as Hartech.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they will achieve classic status approximately a week after I sell mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
There are hundreds for sale on autrader ie those for sale on here are not representative of the market Bandit

There will always be less for sale than more mainstream makes as there where simply less made but if your talking “classic” in the sense of air cooled Porsche’s again you have to remember that from the 996 Porsche made a lot more cars (which they needed to do to save the business ie less cost to build over car) and so I doubt you will get to the level of 5 or 6 of a particular model for sale as you do with the current classics......... but that does not mean they won’t be classics (but again you have to remember the 991.1 will be the last of the NA not the 997 Wink)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards to rebuilds, there are a hell of a lot of garages that end up with a 997 (or 996) with a bore-scored engine that have no option but to get the car 'fixed' to be able to cut their losses. When they do this, they do the absolute bare minimum (can't state that enough) to sort it out.

Example: Cylinder 6 bank 2 severely scored. Fair amount of wear on other parts that would be replaced if it was my decisions. Garage only get Cylinder 6 relined and don't pay any extra to have other stuff done just to save money. Car is then listed as been in excellent condition and moved on.

If you were to know what % of these cars came through the likes of Hartech et al it would make your eyes water.

Sad but true. nooo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the time 997.1s are classics, then the average joe won’t be able to afford a classic due to tax on the car and tax on the fuel.

There are far too many of them, they are problematic.
They don’t offer the purity of earlier cars and don’t offer the reliability of the later cars.

Just my 2p worth but they’re not worth the risks for me.

For those that buy them, then use and enjoy it but an investment it isn’t.

I also think gen2s are in for a correction as 991s have just about overlapped.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this is true but I read the production of 991s outnumbers the amount made of each previous 911 generation combined.

Staggering IF true!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rojdog wrote:
I don't know if this is true but I read the production of 991s outnumbers the amount made of each previous 911 generation combined.

Staggering IF true!


Only got to look at the limited production and exclusive GT cars. There's more GT3's for sale than R35 GTR's! The latter being in production for 11 years.
 
  
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