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kiteral
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: 997 C4 GTS Reply with quote

After looking for a 911 a few years ago (registered here 2012 !) I got way laid by Audis and BMW's.

Am now in the lucky position to run a 911 as a second car, so have started the hunt.

Drove a 991 C4S back to back with a 997 C2 GTS, and found the GTS much more of an occasion to drive, but it was in white, which is a colour, I'm struggling to like.

Have seen this online https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/9428788-1148990-porsche-911-gts-2dr-pdk-coupe/. which is my ideal colour but not a C2.

It's been on sale for a while at Sytner select, as it was discussed in this thread

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=132073&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Having not driven a C4, is there much noticeable difference in the steering and Handling ?
Also, what sort of advice is there in buying a Porsche from a non franchised main dealer ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh god, it would be really tough to choose between that and a Turbo. Really nice looking car. If you’re planning to blast it around B roads rather than do any serious track time you’ll probably not suffer by having 4WD.

Just look at it! If you’re after a GTS, get it bought!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usual rules apply when buying a car from a normal dealer... best practice is get it inspected by an expert if you can. The Gen 2 997 is a safer bet than many though.

You could get it inspected post-purchase by an official dealer, then shell out for a proper Porsche warranty. The Sytner Select one is likely to only be for a few months.

Looks like a great car!

I'd be amazed if anyone could honestly tell any difference between 2 and 4wd on the road, 99% of the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the sort of faults to look for on a 997.2 ? Could not find much guidance. Sytner warranty is 6months with a £4K claim limit.

Do you still have to wait 90 days after purchase before sticking an Porsche warranty on ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given Sytner own Porsche dealers I wouldn’t worry about the car. There must be reasons not to stick it through the Porsche warranty, so expect some not approved things, such as tyres and battery. Might be worth enquiring what else.

Consumables will be a factor with that mileage. Might be worth checking discs and pads.

I wouldn’t worry about engine and gearbox.

Front end will be a bit less alive, like on the C4S but not a huge hardship.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking for a 997 C4S but ended up test driving a 997 GTS. A couple of days later I was persuaded to try a 991 C4S out. Sorry to say and possibly insult owners of 991's but I found there was no comparison, the 991 was a bit dull and possibly too refined for me.
I totally forgot about the 997 C4S, parked the 991 and fell for the 997 GTS and don't regret it one bit! It had a similar mileage as the one advertised with an OPC warranty but glad to say I've not had to call on that at all.
At the end of the day we can all be drawn towards a newer model so I simply say this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzwam wrote:
I was looking for a 997 C4S but ended up test driving a 997 GTS. A couple of days later I was persuaded to try a 991 C4S out. Sorry to say and possibly insult owners of 991's but I found there was no comparison, the 991 was a bit dull and possibly too refined for me.
I totally forgot about the 997 C4S, parked the 991 and fell for the 997 GTS and don't regret it one bit! It had a similar mileage as the one advertised with an OPC warranty but glad to say I've not had to call on that at all.
At the end of the day we can all be drawn towards a newer model so I simply say this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Probably need to compare like for like? No dullness or refinement on a 991 GTS Grin Lighter wider, lower and more power. 997 GTS is a cracker though thumbsup
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
Given Sytner own Porsche dealers I wouldn’t worry about the car. There must be reasons not to stick it through the Porsche warranty, so expect some not approved things, such as tyres and battery. Might be worth enquiring what else.

Consumables will be a factor with that mileage. Might be worth checking discs and pads.

I wouldn’t worry about engine and gearbox.

Front end will be a bit less alive, like on the C4S but not a huge hardship.

This is good advice all round.

If warranty is even remotely a consideration you must get it inspected formally first so you know what that kicks up. A 4k claim limit wouldn't be enough for me if I wanted a warranty. The peace of mind you want from a warranty is engine, gearbox, etc cover. Which that won't.

I made a mistake in not getting the inspection done as part of purchase so am running the gauntlet with no warranty now Smile

The blue car looks great - it's a great colour. Just needs weiss gold wheels and decals Smile

I might be inclined to look at a well spec'd C4S first though as comparison for a good chunk less.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiteral wrote:
What are the sort of faults to look for on a 997.2 ? Could not find much guidance. Sytner warranty is 6months with a £4K claim limit.

Do you still have to wait 90 days after purchase before sticking an Porsche warranty on ?


The 997.2 is about as bullet proof as a 911 comes but it's worth getting it checked out with an independent PPI - or, if you're planning on an OPC warranty, a 111 point check.

You do have to wait 90 days before attempting to get the warranty but at least having the 111 point check done before purchase will tell you how much you'll need to factor in / negotiate before buying the car.

The Sytner warranty will cover you should little things happen in that 90 days. If anything bigger happens they would still be obliged under the 'Sale of Goods Act' to fix it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

murph7355 wrote:


I might be inclined to look at a well spec'd C4S first though as comparison for a good chunk less.


I wish there was some C4s’s around but they all seem to be about the same price give or take a few thousand !
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone listed a 997.2 C4S on here the other day at a very reasonable price.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
Someone listed a 997.2 C4S on here the other day at a very reasonable price.


This one

---> http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8949&sid=f24e2f2acbbcc3303c73031d3fd4e9b8
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sytner GTS is a great example . Being a “4” it’s lower production number than a “2”. Also a rare colour, so many are black or white .
IMO that is a very good price too , just traded my GTS in last month.

Do it Thumb

Ashgoods have a fantastic manual C4s GTS at £60k, thats super rare , and a safe place to park your £ I would say.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, saw the nice C4S listed but a little high on the mileage for me and also black.

That Ashgood car is nice 👍
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heads up, Porsche Chester have a 4GTS with 26K that’s just popped up. It may be worth contacting them. I got into mine last month and it’s been excellent. Ask for Andrew Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Heads up, Porsche Chester have a 4GTS with 26K that’s just popped up. It may be worth contacting them. I got into mine last month and it’s been excellent. Ask for Andrew Thumb


Cheers AMS, although the colour is not my favourite.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to Sytner about the blue one at 53k, they were a bit hesitant about getting an OPC inspection done on it, so that has put me off that car.

I’ll guess I will just have to start liking black or white !
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiteral wrote:
I spoke to Sytner about the blue one at 53k, they were a bit hesitant about getting an OPC inspection done on it, so that has put me off that car.

I’ll guess I will just have to start liking black or white !


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiteral wrote:
I spoke to Sytner about the blue one at 53k, they were a bit hesitant about getting an OPC inspection done on it, so that has put me off that car.

That's interesting. I believe "Sytner Select" is a sales channel for cars that don't meet the criteria to be sold under their "Approved Used" offering.

That aside, it looks a nice car and given the rarity of the colour and a fairly keen price, if I were in the market I'd be going to see for myself. For the sake of a couple of hundred quid you could say you'll pay for the OPC inspection yourself. If they refuse then that would definitely be a red flag, but if they agree then depending on the inspection's findings you may have some negotiating leverage or better still a clean bill of health and a car which will qualify for the Porsche Warranty (after 90 days of ownership and a renewed clean bill of health). Worst ways, you've spent £216 (or whatever it is now) to avoid buying a dud. Best result, a clean bill of health and a good car (probably worth placing a refundable holding deposit on the car in case they shift it to their AUC and/or hike the price following a successful inspection). Good luck and enjoy the search.
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