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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread... inspiring stuff, will get started on the wheelarch liners of my 4S this year!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work Mark! Pretty inspiring - hadn't thought about a Cayenne - but have to say I quite fancy one now!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys,

Definitely get your arch lines cleaned out, Porsche seem to make areas which just collect crap which begins to rot the surrounding area, my 25k mile 997 had buckets full, Boxster, 964 and now this. Never seen anything like it on other cars!

The Cayenne is great, really enjoying it, amazing how it handles thanks to the PDCC. Sounds great, I like the way it looks, the dash/controls are pretty dated would be the only negative but that kind of thing doesn't worry me, I really rate it overall, I don't think there is anything else in the same category or price bracket that is better. I am using it daily at the moment, it will be the wifes daily once the baby arrives and usage will no doubt go down but as for the mpg, I'm getting around 15-17 when not in standstill traffic, not far off other cars side from my Focus which is 45-50!

Overall, a great buy to be honest. A serious chunk of car for the money and being the GTS, has some exclusivity and rare factor.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most uninteresting update..

Many lazy plate swaps it seems..



Took me bloody ages with a toffee wheel and white spirit



Hoovered leaves from the bonnet hinge area and under the brake M/C but was a bit tight and dark for good pics.



Taking this for a trip down to Sandbanks for an extended weekend getaway now Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been a while since I have been on here so good to see you managed to pick up a Cayenne! It's a very nice GTS by all accounts and I hope you enjoy it and the car is good to you. Apart from the petrol costs they are great cars and my one is really beginning to grow on me. Incidentally, the one I had told you about in your initial post looking for buying advice that was offered to me by a local Porsche specialist (a 4.8S not a GTS) recently came up for sale again. I'm tempted but your thread has made me hanker after a GTS moreso if I did upgrade.

I thought I was ***** but you are on a whole new level (and I mean that as a complement)!!! I need to get under my front arches and see if those bungs are still in place......
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Really wanted a silver one and when I saw this one, I had to have it, I was looking at 4.8 S's but I really wanted the GTS for it's interior mainly. The extra toys are good, PDCC is a god send and quite strange, you expect the thing to roll around a corner but it doesn't!

I would definitely get your aches clean, there are just so many areas which collect crap which will lead to rust.


I just did a 280 mile round trip, filled it up to the max level, got 80 litres in it from near empty, managed to do 280 miles in just under half a tank! Some sprints, 2 15 min traffic jams but mainly motorway, averaged 22mpg. Happy with that.

Stopped off when passing through New Forest.



New front brake pads and a Powerflex bush for the torque arm have turned up, still got a bit of meat on the pads so may delay putting them off for a bit but I'll fit the bush this week to see if it does anything, not expecting it too but it seems a few guys in the US change the torque arm due to worn bushes so I figured mine is probably worn too.



I'm actually looking to replace the front lower arms as that is loaded with 3 or 4 bushes and a ball joint, I'm sure changing them will offer some improvement. I'll give them all a proper inspection before hand however.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will add cleaning my arches to my very long 'to do' list!

I have a similar package waiting to be fitted to my car too. Mine are 330mm tiddlers though!
 



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough I've just ordered a new engine torsion arm too!

Along with various other bits and bobs. I'll get round to updating my thread when I get some time...

Glad you're enjoying the motor, they really are a whole lot of car for the money!

Mine's pretty much how I want it now but I have the odd little bits/bobs which I'll get to in due course over the summer.

Interesting that you're MPG is the same as mine, although mine can get down to horrific single figures if driven like a loon.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front pads on Most Cayennes are 10 mm from new .. so if you have 5 mm left they are 50% worn .. 5 mm doesnt look like a lot but these are huge pads that wear slowly .

Basically drive these cars till the pad warning light comes on .. then you have about 3k miles till its down to metal .. often a lot more as its dependent on how a customer drives the car .

i have to admit .. i have done very little in the way of replacing suspension components on these cars .. they seem to go on forever with no play in the bushes or ball joints .

Air suspension and knocks being pretty much the only thing .

Awww .. air suspension fault code 1772 pressure sensor fault and only on upto 2008 ..

Its a classic one in my trade as the fault code does not relate to the problem .. its actually a compressor fault ... the first ones with this fault took many OPC guys a hell of a lot of time to figure out till word got around what the fault was ... i actually had 3 on the go at the same time and was pulling out what was left of my hair .

I'm digressing i know .. and rambling .. but mention this to any OPC guy and they will know about it lol .
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think our pads are the same but the discs on the GTS are larger, I think the discs on the GTS were done 35k ago but oddly, they barely show any wear, so I'm not changing those.

Really enjoying it thanks, huge amount of car (can I keep calling it a car?!) for the money. I'd love to try a Turbo out as this feels quick once its on the move and in manual mode.

I'm looking forward to fitting the new arm bush, mainly want to see if the current one is worn and if any difference is noticed. I'm not holding my breath but it was just one of those, why not jobs.

I guess with the addition of turbos, you've got them to help shift the weight when pulling away and if you're not on the pedal, they won't be sucking on more fuel. My MX5 got better MPG after fitting a turbo for town driving, I think that is because I don't have to rev the tits off it to get it to keep up with traffic now.

Update your thread!



Cheers Iain!!

I am looking to replace the front wishbones, I do get a knock from drivers front so I'm just going to assume a bush/balljoint is dead, if that doesn't sort it, I'll replace the uppers too..

I bought a dodgy PIWIS but annoyingly, the durametric software which is free to use and works with my cable doesn't support a 2008 Cayenne!! FFS! Need to get something that will read the codes so may just have to buy the proper kit.

The previous owner gave me a compressor rebuild kit with the car, just some small seals and screws, thankfully I dont need to use it. Can hear it buzz on the off moments for a few seconds and the car holds its height and moves between the different levels within a few seconds so all is well with the air. Thumb


So next on the list;

Torque Arm bush.
Remove exhaust so I can free up the exhaust flaps and clean/rust proof areas of the car I couldn't get to.
Brake pads
New front wishbones
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the pads are different between the 330mm and the 350mm discs. When you go on most parts websites it will throw up pads for both types but then if you read the fitment guide it separates it into black, silver and red caliper types. Black is for the basic 330mm caliper type fitted as standard to the 3.2 then silver and red seem to be for the S and Turbo models with the bigger 350mm discs. Ironically the pads for the black calipers are more expensive than for the red or silver ones. I'm guessing they are less popular as most Cayennes had the bigger engines fitted (I could well be wrong)?

By the way 35k out of a set of discs is pretty awesome for a car so heavy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh blimey, I best check my pads, I just ordered whatever Euro Car Parts listed.

Yeah, I did ask the guy I got the car from but he said he hasn't touched the brakes, I know that Neil, the owner before him did, at approx 65k, so thats the last I know..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your pads are probably ok. Looking at the photos, although they look very similar, my ones have a different part number to yours. I think the ones for red and silver are slightly longer.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I saw that, I'm sure they fine, won't take much to work out if they're right/wrong!

Having a bit more trouble with the wishbone, seems GTS/Turbos have a different part number but can't find out why..
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a lunchtime quickie,

Ramair panel filters. I always like a panel filter upgrade on my cars, they all have an aftermarket panel. I can't say I notice a difference in performance but I have always done this for the sake of a better induction noise, on a V8, it had to be done. Cone filters would offer the best for noise but I prefer to stick with an air box, the improvement to induction is slight, but enough to warrant the effort.

Just fitted a pair to the GTS, biggest panels I've ever seen, sadly, I haven't driven it yet but I will update shortly.

Fitting was easy enough. 20 min job while talking to someone. Getting the air box lids back on is the most tricky bit but I learnt that from when I inspected the filters a few weeks back.






I had access to the torque arm, as able to twist it quite a bit with just my hand and little effort, that's getting changed later tonight! Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good read as always Mark Thumb I have also been looking at these for the last year however my head over my heart keeps persuading me no due to guzzling copies amounts 4* Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Gaz!

Just get one, its good on a run, its just the stop start when you can see the needle move..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, they do like a drink and it's only a 3.2 I have! I have to drive from Larbert to Nairn next week, so around 300/320 mile round trip. I'll be interested to see what the mpg is like. My weekly journeys consist of short trips doing the school run, nursery run, station commute, etc with some slightly bigger runs at the weekend and I'm seeing about 330 miles from a tank which costs roughly £120 to fill. I am hoping there might be some fuel left after the Nairn trip!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll be surprised on your run! Those VR6 engines are pretty good on a motorway run! I wanted a 3.2 or 3.6 just because I'm so familiar and comfortable with the engine itself, could rebuild one in my sleep. Grin I bet you get have over a qtr left.


Did a few bits last night, cleaned and shaved the alcantara door pulls for the front doors as they were gummed up.

Fitted the Powerflex arm bush, passenger side light up sill plate, detailed the leather with some touch ups to wear and a condition.

So, the arm bush, I was sceptical but after removing the arm, the bushing in the arm was soft, I could twist the centre, there was no wear to see but it was definitely soft.



Got it out!





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I was sceptical of this but jesus, it definitely, without a doubt, has made a difference! The best way to describe what this has done is to say, it's like Sport mode is enabled, when it isn't!
From the moment I first pulled away, I could tell the difference, the car just pulled off, prior to the bush, I guess there was what felt like lag. Now, after driving it last night and again this morning, it's a night and day difference to the throttle. I am really really happy with this, the best thing I've done in a while. It took just over 1 hour to fit (would be far less if you had a press!), really really surprised me.

My thoughts on the air filters I had fitted earlier, definitely some extra induction noise lower down, windows down and you can hear the V8 more so. It seems like the car feels lighter, perhaps freer revving, could be a placebo but for the money, worth it.

That arm bushing though, very very happy with that, I am really surprised at the difference it has made, so much so, I didn't use sport mode last night or this morning, which I normally do to sharpen the throttle response.

The passenger side illuminated sill had always bugged me, it looks like dirt had got inside, so I thought I'd get inside and have a look.



Sill apart


Ahh, not dirt, the EL part has started to break down..


I've managed to find something which I can replace this with, so fingers crossed it is the same size and works, to be continued!

Next jobs to be done on Saturday, removing the exhaust to free up exhaust flaps, clean the chassis above it and give the car a wash.

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