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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:00 am    Post subject: The 911 has finally caught the 928 Reply with quote

I had a good look around a couple of 928s at the weekend and it dawned on me that what I always thought of as a very big car suddenly doesn't look quite so massive.

'Back in the day' (i.e in the 80s) they were 9" longer than a contemporary 911. Their size was magnified by the fact that they were also considerably wider.

Galvanised by my recent realisation I had a quick google and sure enough it turns out that the new 992 is only 1mm shorter than a 928.

In other words a dirty 992 is the same length as a shiny 928. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: The 911 has finally caught the 928 Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
I had a good look around a couple of 928s at the weekend and it dawned on me that what I always thought of as a very big car suddenly doesn't look quite so massive.

'Back in the day' (i.e in the 80s) they were 9" longer than a contemporary 911. Their size was magnified by the fact that they were also considerably wider.

Galvanised by my recent realisation I had a quick google and sure enough it turns out that the new 992 is only 1mm shorter than a 928.

In other words a dirty 992 is the same length as a shiny 928. Very Happy


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The rear end of the new 992 really does have a look of the 'original design cue ' 928 ….

I really cant take to the new ' Airbrake ' spoiler lid arrangement , it just looks naff …..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 991/992 really is a GT in the 928 vein in terms of what market Porsche want the car to cater for.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMI A wrote:
The 991/992 really is a GT in the 928 vein in terms of what market Porsche want the car to cater for.


Yeah without a doubt …

I think I could be tempted by a 991.1 GTS though ……

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does a GT4 compare to the 928?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
How does a GT4 compare to the 928?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go as far as saying the automatic 996, 997, 991, 992 all cater for that GT market formally occupied by 928 in the range.

Cayman / Boxster are really the sports cars in the range like air-cooled 911s back in the day.

I do love 928s although a bit scared to ever run one. Bills can be astronomical unless you have good indy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting line of thought T8, though it seems at a time when people may becoming larger it may be logical that cars evolve similarly..?

As to creating and decision making on where lines of division may be best drawn between GT and sports car, would seem to risk a measure of controversy to match the red lines drawn relative to Brexit.... Should we have a vote on it Question

I ever thought the 928 was a wonderful bit of engineering and a worthy successor to the 911, but it seems Porsche designers were just a few years too early in offering it to those with fundamentalist tendencies bye
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not getting into the Sports car/GT car debate ....... beyond pointing out that every type of car has grown significantly over the past 35 years.

Take a look at '80s Fiestas, Golfs and 3-Series BMWs and compare them with the 2019 version.

Boxsters and Cayman are the entry level Porsche sports cars but they too are big compared to a 924.

The Porsche GT car, a 21st Century 928 if you like, is the Panamera. Have you seen the size of that? Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm off to OPC Bristol this evening for the 992 launch event. I can't bloody wait..

I think the new 992 looks stunning....



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panamera = today’s 928 Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Panamera = today’s 928 Dont know


That's my thinking. They're both big, lazy front-engined 4-seater GT cars. If the Panam' only had two doors there'd be absolutely no argument.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
I'm not getting into the Sports car/GT car debate ....... beyond pointing out that every type of car has grown significantly over the past 35 years.

Take a look at '80s Fiestas, Golfs and 3-Series BMWs and compare them with the 2019 version.

Boxsters and Cayman are the entry level Porsche sports cars but they too are big compared to a 924.

The Porsche GT car, a 21st Century 928 if you like, is the Panamera. Have you seen the size of that? Grin


You missed the "Mini" out....should be called the "Maxi" now. oh and the Fiat 500

....and those cars that you have mentioned have all gained weight (erm...just like some of us )

The 911 has become lighter recently.

I think the big size difference was between the 993 and 996.

Having owned 996-997 and now 991.....the affect of the size difference is insignificant.

I will concede that the 991 "appears" bigger, but that is down somewhat to the fact it is lower.

...and comparing to the AMG GT.....Astons...Lambos....the 911 is still quite petite Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhodris-dad wrote:


You missed the "Mini" out....should be called the "Maxi" now. oh and the Fiat 500



Your sentiments are correct but I deliberately didn't mention the Mini or the Fiat 500 as they are modern reincarnations of previously dead models. I was careful to only mention models that have been in continuous production over the past 35 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osh wrote:
I'm off to OPC Bristol this evening for the 992 launch event. I can't bloody wait..

I think the new 992 looks stunning....



Osh


Not seen it in the flesh but from the pics its the nicest water-cooled 911 of any era by a mile. Only criticism in some pics especially on the cab the rear from certain angles can look a bit too bulbous and high. Love the new tail light arrangement and every other proportion of the car. The flared wheel arches front and rear look amazing. I'll have mine in luminous green pls Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've just reminded me of one of the worst Porsche experiences I ever had, a 928 S2, nearly bankrupted me, not just in parts which were ridiculously priced but also in that it drank more than Oliver Reed!

Luckily I got shot of it and bought a 968 which I still rate as one of the best cars I've owned.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Panamera = today’s 928 Dont know


That's my thinking. They're both big, lazy front-engined 4-seater GT cars. If the Panam' only had two doors there'd be absolutely no argument.


Whatever happened to that. I’m sure I saw articles years ago that Porsche was planning a new Panamera-based 928. That would fly off the shelves I would have thought
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never really liked the panamera maybe if they renamed it the new 928 I would Question Yes think I would then.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really fancy a 968, think it might be a great investment! Saw a lovely white one in Milton Keynes last week! A friend has a 944 which is surprising nice to drive, even though it's not in the best state of repair!

Reserving judgement on the 992 till I see one in the flesh, from what I have seen I quite like the front end but the rear looks like a bit of a mistake, and really not keen on the wing/spoiler thing! nooo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 968 coupe, wasn't blistering fast but handled brilliantly in the dry!

If you can find a C/Sport they would be an amazing keeper/investment, I know they've climbed in value a lot recently.

Very cheap to own and run.
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