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Rossi911
Barcelona


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2011 Porsche 991 Carrera

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911UK wrote:
here is the ad with it's decription

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8893


Some nitpicking based on your description as below

Car S319APG was originally GREEN
as mentioned the MOT history is a shocker,
checked here https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/

and the last owner was since June of 2018 Hand


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It’s been so very well looked after anything it’s needed it’s had and generally most of the work has been done by Porsche main dealer and if not it’s gone to a Porsche specialist, a brief description of some of the more costly but yet very common jobs on these cars are as follows—
had a new clutch, new rms, new rads, coolent pipes, oil seals, tappets, altenator, coolent bottle, low temp thermostat, battery, brake pads and discs, plugs, leads, coils, air con condensors etc etc to the sum of around £25,000 !!

full Porsche main dealer service history then a couple from very reputable specialist with all receipts and stamped in the book (about 15 stamps)

-2 keys
-dansk stainless exhausts sound really nice and throaty but not too loud so don’t drone
-Genuine Porsche cd head unit which seem pretty rare usually a tape player and cd changer
-Loverly black interior
-18” cayman S alloys which honestly don’t seem to be very photogenic but looks beautiful in person!
-Standard suspension not been messed around with (my previous 911 was lowered and was a very harsh ride and very unforgiving)
-flawless paintwork had all the small dents professionally removed by a dent man before went for the respray
-lots of tread left on all 4 tyres
-psm traction systen
-Nokia hands free kit and also has a tracker kit installed
-4 wheel drive works brilliant no issues or warning lights and such an engaging drive and perfectly weighted (I previously had the 2 wheel drive version which I don’t feel are as good or feel as solid and well balanced like these do)
-power is there and pulls well throughout all 6 gears and changes gear loverly and smooth
-stack of receipts like you wouldn’t beleave about 2 inches thick!

I’ve had it a year and a half, I’ve added the aero kit and had it fully resprayed in speed yellow due to key marks and small dents and some rust on the cills at the bottom rear which is getting more and more common as these cars move towards the 20 year old mark! which cost me thousands.

£25,000 worth of maintenance receipts as well as the £5000 that I’ve spent on it on top of that

I’m a real Porsche enthusiast this is my second 911 (previously had the same car but the 2wd version) the carrera 4 is such a better drive!
Also this one has the added version of being one of the later 3.4 engines so all the modern comforts such as electronic throttle body psm etc etc but still the dual row ims bearing which next to never ever fail! Also these don’t suffer from bore score anywhere like the later 3.6 do!



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Rhodris-dad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
I disagree. Some people want an aerokit car, some want one without. Aerokit cars are rarer and to the right person are worth more money. Particularly a factory aerokit. Likewise on the colour, to some people it is a positive.
No doubt somewhere out there there is somebody who wants a car in this spec. To them it is worth a lot more than a non-aerokit silver car.

MC


Speed yellow was high on my want list and I think a speed yellow car really needs the aero kit. They just don't look right without it. On the face of it this is pretty much the car I was searching for and it's below my budget.

All that being said. I've currently got a deposit on a boring old non aero kitted silver car which is costing more and I don't feel the urge to pull out of that deal for this car. I can't even put my finger on exactly why it's just not doing it for me.
 
  
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g911omr
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were you I'd put the correct wheels and the aero engine lid back on. £12500 might not be out of the question then.
List recent mechanical work. Some more info regarding the respray would also be good. My honest opinion is that you have devalued the car by changing the colour. However, someone out there will disagree and it won't bother them.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rosiee911 I’ve had it a lot longer than that long story short log book got lost in the post so after waiting 2 months had to send off for another then once that finally came another 6 weeks later I then had to send that off then finally came back and the date was done as the date I sent it off on not the date I actually bought it I would not miss inform people on my advert.

Mot history is at the end of the day history, the work has all been done with receipts etc although a few of the mot failures were incorrect as an example the rust on seat belt base?? I can show anyone seat belt base it’s absolutly original he obviously ment that direction of the cill which he’d already mentioned further down the list....
 
  
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wasz
Sepang


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1999 Porsche 996 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few tyre advisories wouldn't put me off. Things like brake pipes and brake consumables, corrosion, emissions are things that would raise alarm bells.

Take some better pictures in a "desirable" location, country side, stately home etc.. Get a decent camera or decent phone camera. Crouch down with the camera, don't hold it at chest height. Do this on a sunny day. Rewrite your ad, leave the spoiler on.

I'd even go as far as getting some GT3 alloys and a set of eibach lowering springs (£150) that will complete the look.

Do that and put it up for £15k.

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I'd write something like this and no more:

Manual Porsche 911 996 Carrera 4 Speed Yellow 133k miles Aerokit

Originally Oak Green, now refinished in stunning Speed Yellow with full Aerokit as I always wanted a Speed Yellow 911. Very high quality paintwork, glass removed and door shuts / under bonnet painted- looks factory and I have documentation to support this. Never accident damaged and HPI clear.

Desirable manual gearbox, early 3.4 engine with ferrous pistons so no bore problems and stronger IMS bearing from the factory. Car drives as it should without fault, everything works, air con blows cold and both keys are present.

Full OPC and specialist service history. Always enthusiast owned, box file full of receipts detailing history.

Recent work (needs date and mileage age for each):
- New clutch, Rear Main Seal (and IMS bearing inspection when you did this?!)
- Cooling system overhaul inc both radiators, pipes, header tank and low temp thermostat.
- New brake discs and pads (brands used?)
- Dansk Stainless Exhausts

Reluctant sale due to house move, call XYZ on 1234 to arrange a viewing.
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g911omr
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a nice car...
 
  
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coullstar
Barcelona


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't put me off but I do believe the majority of people are wary of colour changes. If you have photos to prove what it was like before and during respray will definitely help.

Its a fair car and probably priced right but Ive found that almost overselling a car puts people off. Be honest and straight, mention the spec but don't say its better than others because of certain reasons as that is down to personal opinion.
Photos are a definite decider, you need good ones to entice people to look further.

IMO it would have sold as well in the green as it is making a bit of a resurgence.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe re do the advert, the above could be used as a template.
I would re fit the spoiler and gt3 wheels.
Then take quality photos and re advertise at 13995.
You might get more interest then as the car will look right and you can be firm with the price.
Personally think you have more chance of selling a complete finished car rather than a halfway house.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2p’s worth...

If your car is fault free mechanically then I would refit the spoiler/ GT3 wheels and go for a higher price with a Wasz worded advert and better pics.

If during a viewing they try to haggle you down on price without any real leverage you then have the option of knocking up to £2k off the price but say that you will refit the Caymen wheels and original deck lid. Most will probably prefer to pay the extra. You could then always knock £500 off to help the buyer over the edge so that they think they have got a bargain and sell the Caymen wheels/deck lid for £500.

It’s a negotiation after all but you have to make the product appealing to get someone to view it in the first place, if it’s as good as you say with great history then it will sell. Porsche buyers are picky and for most a 996 will be their first one, they may not be very realistic about an older car.

I wouldn’t bother lowering the car though, the springs may only be £150 but you could be opening a can of worms with regard to fitting, rusty bolts, alignment woes, and adjustable toe arms + the buyer may think the ride is too firm. It could easily end up costing you £500 for a simple job, leave it up to them.
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Rickyhull
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasz that’s a very good template I’ll use that thanks I’m not really very good at the whole car selling thingas you can tell lol, 911 munky I agree with what your saying absolutly, and it genuinely is as good as I’ve tried to describe it literally fault free idles smooth and quiet drives perfectly and looks stunning in person I’ve no doubt the first person that views it will buy it
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it looks nice and priced fairly. I would certainly view if in the market, (I would at least offer buyer the option of spoiler though as would look better with).
I think price would get me coming to view in person. Some people on here clearly very picky and making assumptions on condition without viewing. Seen several posts recently of people who " have had to buy a different car" (m3) because they have spent 2 years looking for the perfect 996, yet seveal sell used every day and you only need 1 buyer.
The fact its a manual, black interior, nice colour (even of not original) and most of the areo kit are positives.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rickyhull wrote:
Wasz that’s a very good template I’ll use that thanks I’m not really very good at the whole car selling thingas you can tell lol, 911 munky I agree with what your saying absolutly, and it genuinely is as good as I’ve tried to describe it literally fault free idles smooth and quiet drives perfectly and looks stunning in person I’ve no doubt the first person that views it will buy it


Yep its a nightmare selling cars, especially things like 911s.

Get used to people asking inane questions and chipping you down without seeing it. Stand firm and if someone comes to view you know they are serious.

This is why "we buy any car" and trading in is so popular these days, people just don't want the hassle.

Speed Yellow is an incredibly rare and special colour, definitely a bonus but you need to wait for the right person to come along.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasz wrote:


Yep its a nightmare selling cars, especially things like 911s.

Get used to people asking inane questions and chipping you down without seeing it. Stand firm and if someone comes to view you know they are serious.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasz wrote:


Yep its a nightmare selling cars, especially things like 911s.

Get used to people asking inane questions and chipping you down without seeing it. Stand firm and if someone comes to view you know they are serious.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mikeyp and wasz much appreciated!, yea funnily enough when I was buying my first 911 many many years ago I gave up and bought an m3 instead although mainly the price issue as I was very early 20s but then realised it wasn’t the car I set my heart on and ended up getting a 911, ever since then I’ve almost always had a 911 in my garage wether they get used or not, I think i have a problem 😂
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those misted pictures are awful, didnt get past them to read further.

Take some pin sharp clear pictures from a lower angle, not in a cramped driveway,

The interior shots are of half a front seat? what is that all about.

from the description it seems a well sorted car, but I cant get past the photos.

Its high miles, but I think if the car advert was well presented it would not be a problem.

Then I think the car is well priced and would a lot more appealing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasz wrote:
A few tyre advisories wouldn't put me off. Things like brake pipes and brake consumables, corrosion, emissions are things that would raise alarm bells.

Take some better pictures in a "desirable" location, country side, stately home etc.. Get a decent camera or decent phone camera. Crouch down with the camera, don't hold it at chest height. Do this on a sunny day. Rewrite your ad, leave the spoiler on.

I'd even go as far as getting some GT3 alloys and a set of eibach lowering springs (£150) that will complete the look.

Do that and put it up for £15k.

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I'd write something like this and no more:

Manual Porsche 911 996 Carrera 4 Speed Yellow 133k miles Aerokit

Originally Oak Green, now refinished in stunning Speed Yellow with full Aerokit as I always wanted a Speed Yellow 911. Very high quality paintwork, glass removed and door shuts / under bonnet painted- looks factory and I have documentation to support this. Never accident damaged and HPI clear.

Desirable manual gearbox, early 3.4 engine with ferrous pistons so no bore problems and stronger IMS bearing from the factory. Car drives as it should without fault, everything works, air con blows cold and both keys are present.

Full OPC and specialist service history. Always enthusiast owned, box file full of receipts detailing history.

Recent work (needs date and mileage age for each):
- New clutch, Rear Main Seal (and IMS bearing inspection when you did this?!)
- Cooling system overhaul inc both radiators, pipes, header tank and low temp thermostat.
- New brake discs and pads (brands used?)
- Dansk Stainless Exhausts

Reluctant sale due to house move, call XYZ on 1234 to arrange a viewing.



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OP (that’s you Ricky) I really hope you cut and pasted this, as well as follow the advice in this (and in other) posts thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of a dinosaur when it comes to this side of things but managed to copy the advert from wasz (massive thank you for taking the time to do that for me) looks a nice clear simple read but at the same time very informative so brilliant if it sells now I owe you a beer 😂
 
  
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