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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@UncleP: Was the gearbox issue a fault? Or did you just not like it?



I can't say for certain, it was certainly not diagnosed as having a fault by 2 separate indies and the dealer claimed it was a "characteristic" of the manual transmission.

I've never driven another manual e9x m3 but I have had other cars with Getrag boxes and while they have all been like stirring a bucket of golf balls with a daffodil stalk my e92 was by far the worst.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@UncleP - I see. That doesn't sound great.

I've read on the m3 forums that you can swap the gearstick for the one from the F10 M5 and that's supposed to make a very big improvement. People also fit a 'clutch stop', which I hadn't heard of before, and that seems to mean that the pedal doesn't travel quite as far down.

Not sure if either would have cured your issues. I tried a DCT for comparison, but I kind of didn't gel with the whole 'floor it and hang on' feel. But maybe that would have been the better choice.

I did read somewhere that many owners were complaining of a distinct notchiness between 1st and 2nd. But every BMW I've had has had that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been a member of m3cutters for many years, and like you say it’s a popular mod changing to F10 gear knob and clutch stop, not something I tried myself though either I was happy enough with it and like you say it’s a common feel, same with a 130i I had too,
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caymans and Boxters are cheap as chips these days, if you are just looking for a fun drivers car to compliment a daily hack...

Question some even say better handling and more fun than the 911 Surprised

Dont know unless the whole 'Gayman' comments thing is an issue for you..?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't care less about 'Gayman' comments Very Happy I had a 986 and it was a laugh and a half.

I have been thinking about getting a Boxster to complement the M3. I reckon that would be a good combo.

Funds don't allow for that to happen right now, but the thinking is get a cheap 986 2.7 I'd not have to worry about or a nicer 987 3.2 further down the line.

Or even perhaps a 996.1 cab? Wink (there I go again with the 911s...)

I reckon I'll try the F10 gear knob mod, but I didn't have too much of an issue with the stock set up.

I read up a lot on m3cutters but it's a bit of a different vibe here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I am going to be selling my 98 manual C2 coupe soon. Arctic Silver with Boxster red leather and hard back sports seats, M030 suspension, LSD. Still has ambers with no aero kit. Has immaculate 17 inch C4 wheels with 4 x new Michelin PS2’s.

It’s done 69k miles, had an OPC service 1.2k miles ago in June 2018, also had ac condensers done last year. I’m simply not using it enough due to work and a young family.

If you are interested, I’ll can PM a full advert tomorrow? I was planning to MOT in early April, when it’s due before popping an advert up. It’s been tucked up for winter on trickle charge, but I have ensured it’s been driven regularly on dry roads.

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB911 wrote:
Hi,

I am going to be selling my 98 manual C2 coupe soon. Arctic Silver with Boxster red leather and hard back sports seats, M030 suspension, LSD. Still has ambers with no aero kit. Has immaculate 17 inch C4 wheels with 4 x new Michelin PS2’s.

It’s done 69k miles, had an OPC service 1.2k miles ago in June 2018, also had ac condensers done last year. I’m simply not using it enough due to work and a young family.

If you are interested, I’ll can PM a full advert tomorrow? I was planning to MOT in early April, when it’s due before popping an advert up. It’s been tucked up for winter on trickle charge, but I have ensured it’s been driven regularly on dry roads.

Cheers.

sounds v/nice Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all the stupid BMW stereotypes aside, I drove a E90 M3 (really wanted a sedan) and I was very underwhelmed by it. And the bearing wear issues on the V8 put me off for good.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

M cars can be as expensive as porkers if not more.

mate of mine runs a big BMW M car specialist and some of the big are eye watering. just look at the cracking rear subframe issues that can costs 1000s to fix as well as the bottom end and vanos issues.

loads of cheap E46 m3s out there but they always end up being money pits to fix and run!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cost of parts used to be the biggest problem when it came to repairs as many were often unique to just that model/engine. Hence the M tax comments from many owners. I'm not sure if that's changed since each subsequent model seems to have been more popular than the last.

The e46 certainly had it's fair share of problems but the e9x models seem to be fairly robust when compared to other M cars and indeed similar cars from other manufacturers. No shortage of indies either.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a good indy at hand who gives me good advice and by their reckoning, the E9X generation of M3 should be cheaper to run than a 996.

But it's a car that's nearly 10 years newer, so that's not a big surprise. And if I calculate that doing rod bearings as preventive maintenance will cost about 1.5-2k, I'd say that's more reasonable than a full Hartech rebuild. OK, an IMS replacement would set you back about the same, so perhaps it's a moot point.

But from my experience and inspections, in the 16-19k price bracket you'll need to spend 2-3k at the very least to get a 996 up to scratch (one 997 I had checked would have needed closer to 8k) , whereas I doubt it would be that much on an M3.

It's a bit of a 'get in and go' rather than a 'rolling restoration', which I can't afford.

I'm actually looking to get an M3 sedan/saloon and I found it pretty damn quick. Yes, it needed revs, but so does a 996/997.

What it lacks is a sense of occasion. The minute I get into a 996/7 cockpit it feels intimate and 'right', whereas in the M3, you need to hit the loud pedal to remind yourself that it's something special. Although the view with the bulge in the bonnet helps.

That's something I'll have to live with I guess. But it could be worse. I could be driving a diesel Floor
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@CB911 - that sounds like a nice car indeed. And rare with the LSD and TC option.

Boxster red interior is a bit much I admit. In the M3 I'm looking at it's just the seats that are red and in the Porsche, it looks like someone stuck a firecracker in a bucket of paint an lit the fuse.

How much will you be asking for it?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s got a black steering wheel and genuine Porsche mats which does break up the red and makes the difference. Also has a sunroof.

It’s probably going up at £16,950 and I will see how I get on. I can PM a full spec/advert tomorrow if you would like?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is Boba Fett these days, how comes he’s not come into the chat with his yellow Vert?

A very nice chap indeed, he owns a 911 and the Vert so has a good feel for both.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackzi wrote:
I have a good indy at hand who gives me good advice and by their reckoning, the E9X generation of M3 should be cheaper to run than a 996.

But it's a car that's nearly 10 years newer, so that's not a big surprise. And if I calculate that doing rod bearings as preventive maintenance will cost about 1.5-2k, I'd say that's more reasonable than a full Hartech rebuild. OK, an IMS replacement would set you back about the same, so perhaps it's a moot point.

But from my experience and inspections, in the 16-19k price bracket you'll need to spend 2-3k at the very least to get a 996 up to scratch (one 997 I had checked would have needed closer to 8k) , whereas I doubt it would be that much on an M3.

It's a bit of a 'get in and go' rather than a 'rolling restoration', which I can't afford.

I'm actually looking to get an M3 sedan/saloon and I found it pretty damn quick. Yes, it needed revs, but so does a 996/997.

What it lacks is a sense of occasion. The minute I get into a 996/7 cockpit it feels intimate and 'right', whereas in the M3, you need to hit the loud pedal to remind yourself that it's something special. Although the view with the bulge in the bonnet helps.

That's something I'll have to live with I guess. But it could be worse. I could be driving a diesel Floor


I much prefer the saloon to the coupe. My price range didn't get me into a saloon sadly, if it did I might have stuck with it.

The e90 M3 feels many magnitudes more modern than any 996 i've driven but I also think that contributes to that lack of occasion. Cars just keep getting faster and more competent all the while adding more and more buffers between the mechanical elements, the road, and the driver. Perfect for efficient commuting but sadly lacking when you actually want to drive.

There are loads of them about though so they are definitely the right car for a lot of peoples wants and needs.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM sent re M3. TY
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an E46 M3 SMG and recently purchased a 996 C4S tip.

The e90 m3 underwhelmed me. Whereas the e46 M3 has an absolute peach of an engine..it's a masterpiece.

I couldn't fit into a manual 911 (knee hits steering wheel). But i now looove the tip. I almost didn't buy a 911 cos i couldn't get manual. But i'm really pleased i went for the tip.

Re costs, i spent circa £5k on my M3 over 3yrs. So, TBH you're going to spend on these cars to get them perfect. And i'm now starting to plan my fixes for the 996 and yea, prob going to spend something similar if not more.

My view was that my 911 is 14yrs old. EVERY inspection is going to fail it. How can it not unless it's a £30k 1000 mile car.

I took the view that i wanted to get the colour/options right, and just make sure it's at least acceptable mechanical condition, then over the years i'll slowly but surely get it perfect.

However... if you do it right, there's a fighting chance you'll get a decent % of your money back with appreciation.


M3 is an 'event' when you drive it. And i get excited when i get into the 911.

So, i think BOTH options work! But BOTH will cost you (sorry i mean you'll need to invest Wink )
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

owend wrote:
I couldn't fit into a manual 911 (knee hits steering wheel).


That's fixable, if you don't mind throwing a bit of money at it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Had the M3 1.5 years, the pork 6+ years. The M3 has costed more in that time than the 996 has in 3+ years. I see your trouble with the n/a 996, but a turbo engined 996 by the most part is a very reliable thing (it turns out). Servicing is also similar to M car costs (due to no valve clearance adjustments but sparks more difficult to reach)

A friend owns an E92, and in-between actuator failures & rod bearing replacement I find it difficult to see his maintenance costing less than the Turbo
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 996 and a M3 CS (which is for sale). I've also driven the more modern versions, E91 and F31. The newer the model, the quicker they get, but they do loose something; they seem to be more remote, further from the action. For me the E46 is a good compromise for me in terms of feel and looks. Only the E30 M3 will really offer a better feel, but they're expensive and they're seriously lacking in the engine department.

Budget for rod bearings and actuators if you go for the E90.

If you're still set on a 996, I'd go for the turbo, an early 996 3.4 or a rebuilt Hartech car.

The MX5 above is a great car to drive too and cheap to run.
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