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emmbee
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:27 pm    Post subject: Millers oil question Reply with quote

997.1 c4s

I’m currently using Mobil 3000 5/40 but as my mileage is approaching 120k (albeit with a Strasse rebuild at 75k) I want to change to Millers oil, but a bit confused.

Should I use 10/50 nano CFS or NT, is there a road car version or just competition spec. ?

Thanks in advance .....

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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark , I use and have done for years Millers Oils NANODRIVE CFS 10w-50 NT+ Full Synthetic Engine Oil.

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-115239-millers-oils-nanodrive-cfs-10w-50-nt-full-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

Opie oil are usually the best price but look out for promo codes to discount it further currently 5% off but often its 10 or 15% off if you sign up for emails. Thumb Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know what the difference between the CFS and CFS NT+ oils is?

The tech specs are very similar:

CFS
https://cdn.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/millersoils/CFS-10w50.pdf

CFS NT+
https://cdn.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/millersoils/CFS-10w50-NT-Plus.pdf

Great tip on the Opie discounts Phil - thanks!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob, I am not totally sure but seem to remember that the NTplus is a newer product with more nano particles making it in theory better for the engine , but Opie are very helpful on the phone if you call them I am sure they will explain in more detail the pros of both Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Phil,

10% discount from Opie oils who seem to be cheaper than most suppliers anyway.

Thanks for the info and the tip.

Mark
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many litres does the millers oil come in, im due for my second oil change after a rebuild!

Cheers..

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1
5
25 litre sizes
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Phil states, the NT+ is the newer oil with more of the Nano particles.

I use the Millers NT in my Turbo, but the 5W/40 grade.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked Millers directly - see reply below.

Cheers,
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Good morning Robert,

Thank you for your enquiry.

You could go with a 10w50 as one of our customers Hartech recommend this viscosity, but that is more for more tuned engines and racing applications. For normal road use we would go with a 5w40 – but it is same answer to your query. Both products use the triple ester formulation ; the difference lies in the NANODRIVE low friction technology package. The NT+ has the full package were the none NT+ has part of the package. They both are a massive step up from an automotive oil – but the NT+ yields the best results and would be the best offering for your Porker.

CFS 5w40/10w50 NT+ up to 65% reduction in friction. (Typically)
CFS 5w40/10w50 up to 26% reduction in friction. (Typically)

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Mark

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Subject: Millers 10w50 CFS vs CFs NT+

Dear Sirs,

I’ve been recommended your CFS 10w50 oil for a 2002 3.6L Porsche engine (road use). I’ve studied the Product Datasheet for both and apart from small differences in cold and hot viscosity cannot tell which one would be preferable for the application.

http://www.millersoils.co.uk/source/datasheets/CFS%2010w50%20(2).pdf

http://www.millersoils.co.uk/source/datasheets/CFS%2010w50%20NT%2B%20(2).pdf

Please could you tell me what the differences are between them and based on that, your recommendation? The OEM recommended oil is Mobil-1 5w40 and the engine has covered 90k miles since rebuild.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H-Tune £51.99 for 5ltrs, currently!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Millers for 997.1 turbo Reply with quote

Hi Guys

I used Millers NT in my 997 C2s as recommended by Baz at Hartec.

Question what grade should I use in a 997.1 turbo with 50k on the clock Question Question Question

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just ordered some Millers Oils NANODRIVE CFS 10w-50 NT+ for mine from Opie...never go anywhere else now...
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£22.84 off, code: NTPLUS Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I have changed mine to CFS NT+ 10w50. 996C4S on 115k miles. It feels great. Quieter on start up. Obviously higher oil pressure, as one might expect with a thicker oil.

Interesting email from Millers...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Millers for 997.1 turbo Reply with quote

tgdesign wrote:
....Question what grade should I use in a 997.1 turbo with 50k on the clock?


I use 5W/40, the 'Turbo' (Mezger) engine doesn't have the issues that the Carrera's do.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject: another + for Millers Reply with quote

When you get into debate about oils you get a lot of different opinions.

Another thumbs up from me for Millers NT+

My car is a 997 Gen2 C2S low mileage but has always used some oil.
After a trip to Hartech and discussions I finally got around to changing to Millers.

Do not know if it is doing anything different for the engine. I have noticed 2 positives.
The engine is quieter on startup and oil use has dropped.
The latter point probably due to not using 0W 40 vinegar anymore.

I bought from fleabay as it was going for £50 for 5L.

disclaimer - other oils are availablejavascript:emoticon('Smile')

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the CFS has A40 rating but the CFS NT+ doesn't which realistically doesn't mean alot but worthy of note.
 
  
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