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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:25 pm    Post subject: 997.2 PDK Sport Design Steering Wheel Advice Reply with quote

I finally brought my (almost) perfect 997.2 last week, a 2010 Carerra 2S PDK in great condition with the sport chrono pack (yes this weekend was extremely exciting, I've pretty much been grinning the whole time).

The only thing is that I cannot get on with is the regular wheel mounted shifter buttons and I'd like to swap to the Sport Design steering wheel. I'm hoping someone might be able to help with advice on the specific wheel to buy.

As I say, the car has the sport chrono pack so I think this is the right choice.

The page says:

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Includes a display unit in spokes which indicates whether Sport, Sport Plus, or Launch Control modes have been activated


My question is whether I'll be able to hook up those lights in the steering wheel when I retrofit it? Or is that something which would need to have been done at the factory? If the lights aren't going to work I feel like I might be better off with this version which does not include them.

Beyond that, I think the process of swapping them out is relatively straightforward but I'd love to hear any tips or warnings, maybe I'm better off taking it to a specialist to have it changed over?

Thank you in advance for any help!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it will work it is a straight swap, and the lights work...

If design 911 do not have stock the wheel has been superseded by a 991. code from the 991 which is available from OPC. They will say it won't fit but it does....
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appleton
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh excellent, thank you for the helpful response (and with better news than I was expecting)! Is fitting it a reasonably easy job? I consider myself fairly adept at that kind of thing but I'd hate to get something wrong. I'm guessing there's some kind of wiring loom inside the wheel for the lights which will be unused right now?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 997.2 PDK Sport Design Steering Wheel Advice Reply with quote

appleton wrote:
...Is fitting it a reasonably easy job?


Search and you'll find many DIY articles/videos. Here's an example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdrahALao1E

Watch it thoroughly, paying particular attention to the steps at the 2m08s and 5m08s marks.

As regards:

appleton wrote:
...My question is whether I'll be able to hook up those lights in the steering wheel when I retrofit it?


You need to have a MY2010/2011/2012 car, and you need a wheel with the lights. The wiring for the lights comes through the clock-spring connector when both of those conditions are met.

For some people they work straight away after installing the wheel. For some, it requires the extra step of visiting your OPC and having them enable the lights.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said , a very easy swap, either buy a used sport wheel of if buying new as already said the OPC will show out of stock of the part number for the 997.2 thats because it has been superseded by a 991 part number but its the same wheel. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone, I'll go ahead and give it a shot myself I think!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
As others have said , a very easy swap, either buy a used sport wheel of if buying new as already said the OPC will show out of stock of the part number for the 997.2 thats because it has been superseded by a 991 part number but its the same wheel. Thumb Thumb


And make sure that you are sitting down when they tell you how much it is!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeluke wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
As others have said , a very easy swap, either buy a used sport wheel of if buying new as already said the OPC will show out of stock of the part number for the 997.2 thats because it has been superseded by a 991 part number but its the same wheel. Thumb Thumb


And make sure that you are sitting down when they tell you how much it is!

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Probably cheaper than from Design 911. Especially if you pretend to be a PCGB member and ask for a discount.
 
  
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baldguy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought mine for my then Turbo on Ebay and swapped it myself... very easy job and all worked a treat as others have said
 
  
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appleton
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related question: does anyone know if the alcantara leather version was an option on the MY10 997 C2S? That would probably be my preference over the regular leather but I'd rather keep it looking like it could've been original spec.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome appleton.


pics of the car please Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
Welcome appleton.


Thank you!


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pics of the car please Thumb


Not the best photo, I just took it looking out the window Smile
 



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richtw wrote:
Yes it will work it is a straight swap, and the lights work...

If design 911 do not have stock the wheel has been superseded by a 991. code from the 991 which is available from OPC. They will say it won't fit but it does....


I have a 2010 c2s with a sport design wheel retrofitted by the previous owner. It has the writing on the wheel for sport lights but was under the impression that it would never work.

My car goes in to opc for a little warranty job will ask if they can do this as well.
 
  
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appleton
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the new steering wheel arrived in the post on Friday and I fitted it Saturday following these instructions. It went smoothly and everything works as expected including the sport/plus and launch control lights.

Two minor gotchas which I wasn't expecting:


  1. The video says to use a torx bit on the bolt but that's incorrect. The correct bit was an M12 triple square (also known as spline or XZN).
  2. After reconnecting the battery, the car was showing PSM failure and PASM failure warnings which freaked me out a bit. I googled and was reassured that they'd clear after a few minutes of driving, which they did!


All in all it was extremely easy and I'm really happy with the results, thanks for the advice everyone!
 
  
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trent
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear it went smoothly. Post a pic up so we can see how it looks in the car!

Where did you buy the wheel from in the end?

Martin.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Congratulations on the new car Appleton ! Looks superb ! I also have a few questions regarding the sports steering wheel as my OPC has fitted a new one on the GTS I have just purchased.

They have advised that because it is a 991 sports wheel the lights will not function? Is there different variants with and without the PASM lights ? Also is the size different to the original sports steering wheel for the 997 as it feels larger, unless I’m mistaken. Any help is appreciated Thanks
 
  
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appleton
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where did you buy the wheel from in the end?


I got it from Design 911, it took about a week to arrive from (I believe) Germany. This is the exact one I ordered and I picked option 3 "For vehicles with PDK with Launch Control".

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They have advised that because it is a 991 sports wheel the lights will not function? Is there different variants with and without the PASM lights ?


Did your original steering wheel have the lights on it? That was the case for me, which is why it was an easy swap. If you didn't have them originally then I think you can get option 2 from that same URL.

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Also is the size different to the original sports steering wheel for the 997 as it feels larger, unless I’m mistaken.


I'm not sure about the 991 vs 997 size difference but I think this new sports wheel is a little smaller than the regular wheel I've replaced. I've attached a photo of both the old and the new.
 



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did your original steering wheel have the lights on it? That was the case for me, which is why it was an easy swap. If you didn't have them originally then I think you can get option 2 from that same URL.


Yes the original steering wheel was the sports design wheel and had the lights on and was working completely fine. The opc had to replace it as the Alcantara was worn out. I have had to kick up a fuss about this unfortunately as initially the OPC had said they can't do anything about it and the lights simply won't work on the new wheel. So the solution thus far has been to let me keep the old steering wheel and the new one.

Now i'm wondering if the newer wheel they've given me can actually have the lights activated or not as it seems there is 3 diff options as shown on Design911.

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I'm not sure about the 991 vs 997 size difference but I think this new sports wheel is a little smaller than the regular wheel I've replaced. I've attached a photo of both the old and the new.


The new one looks so much nicer, exactly the same as what's been fitted on mine. I'll know if there is a size diff once I receive the old steering wheel back.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ve fitted a lot of Sport design Wheels over the last few years

the question of when the lights work I believe is vin specific to the cars age

the Sport design Wheel was introduced as a option in mid 2010
when you fit the wheel the Workshop manual does tell you to change settings with a PIWIS, but when you read them it seems to be about telling the car it doesn't have a heated steering wheel

on a 2011 chassis year car the lights work, but on most 2008/9 & 10, it doesn't seem to, unless it was factory fit.

the workshop manual says you can only fit it to post 2010 cars, but it definitely works ( minus sport lights) on earlier cars
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