I dont think this is alot of miles and if your car is in mint condition i would buy your one over less miles but not in great condition. not sure why every body is bothered about miles it,s got 70k on it
Agreed. The mileage isn't a big deal to me however to someone like Spongebob, it's unsellable
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Axlesnap Silverstone
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Hi Terry, I’d be tempted to run it for the Spring and see if the market picks up over the next couple of months. Don’t think going from just under 70k to just over is going to make a difference in the long run to a buyer. As it is they’ll be thinking it’s a 70k mile car by the time they drive it home. If it’s just over 70k they’ll be thinking they have 10k before they have to think about it hitting 80k. Can you tell I’m married to a psychologist _________________ 997.2 GT3
Now that’s a nice motor ..decent mileage ....it’s the 991 version of Phils car !
If the provenance is right , could be a decent bet ..... _________________ 997 Gen 2 Turbo S Basalt Black -BBS CHR, Kline inconel exhaust, DSC V1 & Polished Bliss air freshener...
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Boba fett Indianapolis
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:01 pm Post subject:
T8's car with that mileage and being a tip is probably a £43-44k car at best in todays market, they have shockingly come down in the last 6 months.
That's one of several that have been on the market for several months. If I'd sold mine I might have viewed it by now but, although it's been reduced by £3k since I first noticed it, it's still beyond what I'd be looking to spend. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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T8 General
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:28 am Post subject:
Boba fett wrote:
T8's car with that mileage and being a tip is probably a £43-44k car at best in todays market, they have shockingly come down in the last 6 months.
That wouldn't be a problem if the right 991S came along at £50k-£51k.
Sadly, those I've seen at that money haven't been 'the right one' - hence my current dilemma. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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spongebob squarepants Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:38 am Post subject:
Anyone who tracks the market constantly knows the 991 market hasn’t actually collapsed!
Decent (basic) 991S are still sitting rigidly around the 55k mark (screen price) (in winter in the worst market for years) there not going to be taking a dramatic dip anytime soon, perhaps even the opposite coming into spring. Low milers are 57k + minimum.
Can’t understand how keeping Red longer and adding even more miles, whilst reducing the remaining warranty time (the safety net for any potential buyer) time is going to help?
Sorry don’t get advice to keep Red if T8 really wants a 991! It’s not going to get better. More money to change is required, at least 12-15k for a special 991 (and that’s presuming a private sale on red) or it’s stick with red for the long term, simples
As phil says the special 991 is very tempting, and I’m sure T8 has drooled over this one! And it’s red..
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:45 am Post subject:
That’s the top price for a 2013 C2S on AT, but it’s in line given the spec. Been doing some homework for a potential change later this year. _________________ 997 Gen2 Turbo S - Speed.
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T8 General
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:12 am Post subject:
T8's responses to the points that .....
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Anyone who tracks the market constantly knows the 991 market hasn’t actually collapsed!
If scouring all the ads every three days counts as tracking the market I qualify
The market for 991s hasn't collapsed but they are still depreciating - albeit slowly. Lots of cars have been for sale for months but in that time several have come and gone very quickly.
Decent (basic) 991S are still sitting rigidly around the 55k mark (screen price) (in winter in the worst market for years) there not going to be taking a dramatic dip anytime soon, perhaps even the opposite coming into spring. Low milers are 57k + minimum.
Virtually all of the c£55k cars currently on the market have been for sale for a some time. Lower mileage cars carry a hefty premium.
Can’t understand how keeping Red longer and adding even more miles, whilst reducing the remaining warranty time (the safety net for any potential buyer) time is going to help?
I took the decision to rest 'Red' before 70k clocked up. I don't know how much she will depreciate if I take her to 73k by mid-summer. Shorter warranty would be reflected in what I'd advertise the car at.
Sorry don’t get advice to keep Red if T8 really wants a 991! It’s not going to get better. More money to change is required, at least 12-15k for a special 991 (and that’s presuming a private sale on red) or it’s stick with red for the long term, simples
I will have a 991 one day. I promised myself that in 2013 but it's not a car that I'm prepared to lose significant £££s by owning.
As phil says the special 991 is very tempting, and I’m sure T8 has drooled over this one! And it’s red..
I haven't, as cars over £60k have never been on my radar.
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That's one of several that have been on the market for several months. If I'd sold mine I might have viewed it by now but, although it's been reduced by £3k since I first noticed it, it's still beyond what I'd be looking to spend.
If you're expecting people to make offers £7k below what your car is asking, then you should also feel comfortable to do the same to someone else??
You said it yourself here:
T8 wrote:
Similarly if someone was looking to spend c£50k on such a car at a specialist I'd expect them to show an interest in cars advertised at up to £55k.
TonyC911 Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 06 Jun 2016 Posts: 293 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:17 pm Post subject:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Anyone who tracks the market constantly knows the 991 market hasn’t actually collapsed!
Decent (basic) 991S are still sitting rigidly around the 55k mark (screen price) (in winter in the worst market for years) there not going to be taking a dramatic dip anytime soon, perhaps even the opposite coming into spring. Low milers are 57k + minimum.
I have seen several 991's moving / listed privately at under £48k recently. This also seems to be reflected in recent dealer cars. IMHO the 991 still has a way to go down and could start to hurt 997 Gen2 cars... but that's just my opinion!
I have seen several 991's moving / listed privately at under £48k recently. This also seems to be reflected in recent dealer cars. IMHO the 991 still has a way to go down and could start to hurt 997 Gen2 cars... but that's just my opinion!
Were the private cars 3.8's Even if they were I'd expect them to be 10% cheaper than dealer cars.
Regarding the 2 Dove House cars, 1 is sub-£50k because it's done 61k miles and the other at £53k is typical of a 53k mile car and (imo) ott given that interior colour. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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T8 General
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:11 pm Post subject:
Shaoxter wrote:
If you're expecting people to make offers £7k below what your car is asking, then you should also feel comfortable to do the same to someone else??
You said it yourself here:
T8 wrote:
Similarly if someone was looking to spend c£50k on such a car at a specialist I'd expect them to show an interest in cars advertised at up to £55k.
If somebody offered me £7k less than my car was advertised for my response to them would contain two words.
Similarly, although I would go to see cars advertised at 10% above what I'm hoping to pay, I'd need a significant reason to start with an offer that low for fear that it would be an equally short conversation. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: 4 years on. What now ?
T8 wrote:
It' s often said that 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' and, after nearly 6 months apart, I'm starting to realise that this might be the case for me and 'Red'. The main reason for me deciding to change in the first place was that after nearly 4 years and over 21k miles the time just felt right. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it took quite a while for me to come to terms with it.
Perhaps fate is keeping us together.
Tomorrow is a big day - and I have to admit that I'm starting to get a bit excited - as after several months apart we'll be reunited when I take her for a Major Service and MOT.
Since we last met I've driven a 981 Cayman S, 991 Carrera, 991 Carrera S and 991 Carrera GTS so it will be interesting to see how the old girl compares. _________________ 2007 Guards Red 997 Turbo Tiptronic
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911TEL Barcelona
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: 4 years on. What now ?
T8 wrote:
T8 wrote:
It' s often said that 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' and, after nearly 6 months apart, I'm starting to realise that this might be the case for me and 'Red'. The main reason for me deciding to change in the first place was that after nearly 4 years and over 21k miles the time just felt right. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it took quite a while for me to come to terms with it.
Perhaps fate is keeping us together.
Tomorrow is a big day - and I have to admit that I'm starting to get a bit excited - as after several months apart we'll be reunited when I take her for a Major Service and MOT.
Since we last met I've driven a 981 Cayman S, 991 Carrera, 991 Carrera S and 991 Carrera GTS so it will be interesting to see how the old girl compares.
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moonigan Newbie
Joined: 24 Apr 2017 Posts: 35
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:38 pm Post subject:
Am I the only one that thinks the bi-spoilered 991 looks like a Halfords special. For me its one or the other, but not both.
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My, probably unwarranted, input. Red is a ‘special’ car, rare and with performance to spare. It is not likely to drop much in value however many miles you pile on, and you know it is a good starting point. Why not spend a bit on a few personal, reversible, mods and enjoy the ride.
The 991 C2S is by most standards an exceptional car, but by Porsche standards is fairly ordinary. Plenty of them about. The 992 may cast a financial shadow over them for a year or two and will be mileage sensitive.
Wonderful dilemma to have though. _________________ 2015 Cayman GTS. No more PDK but still red.
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Even if they were I'd expect them to be 10% cheaper than dealer cars.
