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AP90
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:43 pm    Post subject: camping........ Reply with quote

highway wrote:
I extrapolate the above posts all made by people who enjoy camping? Am I right?


I just spent 21 days "in the field" in Nepal...........I can assure you, I in no way enjoyed it........could I compare it to daily driving a 993...........well possibly yes Laughing
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic has come up before and I recall answering, when I owned a 993. You could drive a 993 daily in the same way you could bounce a pogo stick to work, pedal a BMX or bowl a hoop with a stick. You could, but would you want to? The sensible answer is defined by where you live.

If you are in part of the country not choked up with traffic, in that you can get in the car and be enjoying uncluttered, interesting roads 15 mins later then I can see the appeal. If like me, you’d be part of a snake of traffic moving nowhere fast, then why on earth would you want to be in a 993?

They are heavy on fuel, tiring to drive and frankly hard work in traffic. Offset pedal don’t help when you are clutch pumping constantly. A modern car does that sort of driving much better.

The two car solution is best. Something as a daily, keeping the 993 to feel special for tactical use.

Unless of course, as with camping, you have some need to experience needless discomfort, which you could readily avoid.
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

orangefender wrote:
Thanks all, appreciated.

For context, I'm coming from something Italian and want a car which is a bit more useable, won't depreciate much but still interesting for popping in and out of the office three or four days a week (20 miles round trip), and the occasional longer trip (300 miles round trip) once a month. Expect I'll be doing 3-5k miles p.a. year round.


Sounds perfect. 3-5k a year is pretty light 'daily' use. I've used a 964 like this before (and I live in London), and my 993 has covered more than your estimates as a second/third car.

The 993 is a great car to drive. It is absolutely nothing like using a 'pogo' stick to go to work on or a 'BMX' (I've had both Grin ). Offset pedals I sometimes read about and every time wonder what people are going on about? I suspect it may be something that exaggerates with different driver heights or limited mobility? They make absolutely no difference to me and not something I can say I have ever noticed. It is no heavier on fuel than a 997/987 generation car and certainly a lot more usable than the Boxster I had. They are super comfortable to drive, are cool, unpretentious happy to go anywhere cars.

Your £2k yearly service budget may or may not be enough, and mine has not been that economical to run the past few years but some of that will come down to the condition it is in when you buy it. Old and complex suspension, engine rebuilds and leaks, aircon that does not work, clutches, paint work and corrosion... none of it comes cheap, repairs to anything will be expensive but then you also get zero depreciation.

Good luck. Hope it works out.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appreciate everyone’s comments and of course understand the thought of dailying a 993 will have little appeal to some.

I do have some reference points and looking for something that sits somewhere between an Elise and 996. The 996 was too GT like and the Elise too compromised, but want to be closer to the 996 than Elise. I think the 993 offers a truely unique package which I hope will be perfect for me. I live in the sticks and have a short commute into the city, and won’t be spending much time sat in traffic.

I’ve also done the two cars thing and just doesn’t work for me. The weekend car doesn’t get used enough to justify the cost of ownership, and the daily which suffers wear and tear costing almost as much to maintain.

I also like the 993 image which is important as I need to think about the message I’m giving to my team and clients.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The image thing is a double edged sword.
Flash car = he's overpaid.
Crap car = he must be rubbish.
944 = what's that?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi orangefender - I use my 993 as a daily driver...indeed, it is my only car. I bought one that was mechanically well looked after to start with and from someone I trusted (having read up on him...Ray Northway).

I think you'll have a blast!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highway wrote:
or bowl a hoop with a stick.


I'd want to get one inspected if I was looking to buy.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps getting ahead of myself but I’m just starting to think about a couple of jobs.

Has anyone had their 993 rust protected underneath with waxoil or an equivalent? Is it something worth doing?

How easy it is to change the colour of the dash guages?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waxoyl is pretty old hat now and as the chassis is galvanised corrosion is not a major problem but there are several weak areas. Most notorious are the rear chassis legs, and corners of the front screen, occasionally outer sills and rear screen corners. Dynawax and Dinitrol are very good products.
The rear chassis legs are a must to check if not already done.
I used Eastwood chassis protector internally on the rear chassis legs, it's very thin and clingy gets everywhere and sets to a tough finish but it's not pretty looks like thin green snot.
I have used Wurth chassis wax on the suspension components it does the job but is sticky and soon gets discoloured by road dirt.
Best protection imho is regular thorough washing, use a good wax Zymol, Meguairs and never ever use it when the road is gritted.
Changing dial faces is possible, expensive and I don't like it.
Check out Jackal's site for great info on how to be ocd in a nice way.
http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/993/chassisSupports/chassissupports.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Case in point, as Endoman says... After and before...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for everyone's input. The daily hack arrived at its new home yesterday ready to be put into service!

Having a bit of a detail and some paint protection applied as I type.
 



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Health to enjoy orangefender! Looks like a fine example. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lucky chap, your 993 looks just GREAT....

As for rust protection...hmm, galvanised or not they rust from the inside out, which is not always obvious to some, more so if originally registered in Atlantis...!
If exposed to rapid temperature changes condensation can build up inside box sections over a period of time... The idea of filling box sections with goo after it is already rusted can make repair a real pain... No substitute for really getting to know your car inside and out....

The excellent pics of a quality corrosion repair are an education indeed.

Many a wonderful coat of paint can hide all sorts of bodge...

Regardless, any iconic Porsche is definitely well worth whatever you put into it, and hopefully it will repay you in spades. ENJOY Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. The theory is that I will be able to run this for similar money if not less than something like a new Golf R when taking into account depreciation etc. but we'll see. For me a 993 is far more desirable option anyway and in that context don't look bad value to me (even if they are more than they used to be).

I am experiencing something of a learning curve getting to grips with driving, I think because of the RS clutch, light wheel etc. Type of footwear seems to be factor. Otherwise hugely enjoying the experience so far. She gives a great sense of speed and makes a lovely sound.
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the original advert that looks like one fine example with some very desirable mods.

Clutch will become second nature once you have a covered some decent miles.

Hope it works out happy thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
From the original advert that looks like one fine example with some very desirable mods.

Clutch will become second nature once you have a covered some decent miles.

Hope it works out happy thumbsup


Thanks Anthony. Yes i’m sure I will but not sure how my wife will take to it! I’m getting some stalling issues from the flywheel despite the Steve Wong chip. Might be a case of needing to go throught the gears whilst braking but some experimenting still to do.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so first issue has arisen.

Experience told me to check the car is dry after the rain we’ve been having and discovered a small puddle in front passenger footwell and luggage compartment. I’ve been able to clear up easily with a towel and the water is clean suggesting from power hosing rather than rain, but not ideal.

I can see that water is getting into the cabin past the windscreen seal and I found some old threads recommending using a window sealant. Seems a neat solution until such time the windscreen needs replacing - has anyone on here tried?

Could the window seal could also be responsible for the luggage compartment also?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the purchase Thumb

Re all seals it is well worth reconditioning them first as they are expensive.

Google “gummi pfledge” as its the best product by far for this and only costs c£10 Wink

Ps if you want some reference to the more OCD 993 must do’s see my thread here....

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=82158

Pps look into getting Wayne Schofield to custom remap your car rather than the “Wong” chip, you’ll be amazed and have fun at the same time Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I have some in the shed (I’ve been at this too long!). Agree it’s great stuff for keeping seals in good condition - good shout.

Presumably won’t help with leaking seals though and I’ll also need sealant?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
Congrats on the purchase Thumb

Re all seals it is well worth reconditioning them first as they are expensive.

Google “gummi pfledge” as its the best product by far for this and only costs c£10 Wink

Ps if you want some reference to the more OCD 993 must do’s see my thread here....

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=82158

Pps look into getting Wayne Schofield to custom remap your car rather than the “Wong” chip, you’ll be amazed and have fun at the same time Thumb


never heard of gummi before, just ordered some, sounds good.
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