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Jamesx19
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:55 pm    Post subject: New lightweight Otto Fuchs Reply with quote

Hi,

Thought I'd post a few pics of my C2 with some newly fitted Otto Fuchs in 18" a'la RPM Technik CSR's.

Pictures available on a google search aren't that great so hope these contribute to anyone thinking of the same mod.

These weren't new, but a secondhand set that appeared on an online auction site..... briefly!

They come in at about 8.2 Kgs front and 8.8 Kgs Rear. Which is a fair saving over the original rims which were circa 12 kgs and 13.6 kgs (As quoted in http://www.944racing.de/wheelweights.php)

While the overall percentage weight reduction of the wheel/tyre combo isn't massive because the tyres still weigh the same and have the biggest effect on the moment of inertia, its still around 15% front and 20% rear less un-sprung weight.

I have fitted the wheels with additional 9mm spacers all round which weigh 400 grams each, negating some of the savings.










So the big question, other than the aesthetic...... Which is personal taste and if I'm honest Im slightly mourning the loss of the GT3.2 alloys! (They went to a good home though)

Do they make a positive difference you can feel? Short answer - Yes.

Is it massive? No.

Back to back comparison from taking the car into the tyre fitters and back out again 1 1/2 hours later, the low speed ride is better over a pot holed and bumpy surfaced 30 mph urban A road. Could I detect that the second time I drove it? No, not really.

However over a fast A, B and C roads, it is possible to detect that the cars handling is improved in a host of ways. It turns with less inertia, responds more crisply feels lighter and more delicate. All these are a tangible difference, but not a massive transformation if that makes sense?

The feeling is reminiscent of the series 1 Lotus Elise that I had for a while. While not approaching that level of tactility and hyper responsiveness, the C2 changes direction with a new alertness it didn't have before

To be clear though, this isn't lifting a blanket off the car, more a net curtain... The fundamental car is still very much the same, just with a little bit more clarity and delicacy.

Anyway, thoughts welcome. Clearly I'm not a motoring journalist or car tester, just an ordinary bloke with an opinion, but hopefully will give others a better perspective on whether to go for it or not.

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Marky911
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice! Cool

Silver is a classic colour on a 911 too so it helps the whole look.

I must admit mind, I love Mk2 rims and they’re mega rare, so it’s a close run thing as to which I prefer. Both look good though. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look good, 8” front and 10” rear?
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BHZ661
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look good, but i may be biased as i run Fuchs on mine all be it different manufacturer big thumbs up from me thumbsup
 
  
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baldguy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look gorgeous... you've now got me looking for a set....
 
  
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Griffter
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look very good! You must be well pleased to have picked those up second hand!
What suspension are you on? With the spacers, the wheels fill the arches nicely and the car sits just right.
 
  
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sackerley
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look brilliant thanks for posting. Something that’s on my list to add (hopefully) this year to mine. Like you I’ve also been struggling to find good pics other than on the RPM site.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely !
Would look killer with black stone guards.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like these and did like my car on the similar wheels.

I'm not 100% sold on then on aerokit cars though.

Agree about lighter wheels but I find it's all these incremental things that add up to make the car nicer to drive.
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Jamesx19
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks all.

Dammit - Yes, 8x18 ET52 and 10x18 ET65

Coulstar - Yeah, toying with going for a ducktail, but would have to sell the Aero spoiler to finance. That may hurt more than selling the GT3.2 alloys.

Sackerly - Pleasure.

Griffter - Yep, like spotting a unicorn in the woods! It's Bilstein B8 dampers with H&R springs. No problems with Geo. Runs new Meyle coffin arms and polybushed rear toe arms.

Baldguy, BHZ661, Kas750, - Thanks chaps.

May turn to the interior next. I have thoughts of Outlaws, Subtle stickers and bucket seats.......
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Looking good! Reply with quote

Some great images with the Fuchs fitted, does suit the car.
Hopefully you won’t miss the GT3.2 rims too much 😉

It will be interesting to do the test going the other way from the Fuchs to your old GT3.2 rims. I spoilt for choice now on wheels! With 3 sets for the gen2 and the originals aero GT3.1 wheels on the gen1

My wife is gonna kill me if she finds out Cop Floor

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you eventually got sorted James,

I'm not normally a fan of the Fuchs, but they do suit your car. Nice Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look great James - As said above, I think they work really well with a silver car. Possibly as the car is principally Silver and black, the wheels echo this.....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They really do look nice on the car
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car looks stunning Thumb Maybe the ducktail would tie them in even more Question
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamesx19 wrote:
Many thanks all.


Coulstar - Yeah, toying with going for a ducktail, but would have to sell the Aero spoiler to finance. That may hurt more than selling the GT3.2 alloys.



i've been having the same dilemma and actually spoke with RPM about a group buy on ducktails a while ago now and did ask if there was any interest on here

i'd probably be in the same boat of selling my aero deck lid to fund it as i know my mrs would have something to say about me having both Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996lee wrote:
Jamesx19 wrote:
Many thanks all.


Coulstar - Yeah, toying with going for a ducktail, but would have to sell the Aero spoiler to finance. That may hurt more than selling the GT3.2 alloys.



i've been having the same dilemma and actually spoke with RPM about a group buy on ducktails a while ago now and did ask if there was any interest on here

i'd probably be in the same boat of selling my aero deck lid to fund it as i know my mrs would have something to say about me having both Embarassed


I Went RPM ducktail last year , excellent quality and looks fantasic, such a hug weight saving Smile
 
  
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Jamesx19
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHZ661 - We need pictures!!!!!

On the basis you'd get a fair wack back if you sold the RPM ducktail on again, maybe we can use man maths to show that technically speaking, it's an investment opportunity? Keeping the original Aero wing Dont know

Thanks for all the positive comments
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice looking car/wheels thumbsup

I would not trade gt3 for any ductail Hand

RPM carbon ductail looks nice for C4S £2665 Finger
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new Fuch's look great on your car, now you just need a ducktail to finish it off Smile

The gt3.2 & fuchs are my 2 favourite designs. The fuch's probably just edge it for me, so I'm planning on some for mine, but will have to budget for a suspension refresh first.
 
  
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