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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are measuring 'top model' by retail price when they are new it's only the RS models that top the Turbo. Smile


I didn't realise that, cheers. Seems I have much to learn. Although I got the impression that (in recent years) GT cars changed hands at well above list price due to small allocations.
Someone earlier referred to non-Turbos as "lesser" models, and I think there is something in that, which adds to the appeal - of owning a Turbo I mean - even if it isn't wholly rational.
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As they were the poster car of the 80's & 90's they have that kudos that the other cars in the range don't appear to have. The fact that at one time they were one of the fastest cars in the world and a bit of 'widow maker' all added to the 'turbo' mystique. When I had my Carerra in the early 90's and a friend let me have a shot in his brothers black 911 Turbo in Inverness and it was the scariest thing I think I've ever driven.
Nowadays they are probably one of the easiest to live with Supercars you can own, nothing really comes close to them.
They have a great residual, if you buy the right car in the right colour spec etc.
They are pretty much bullet proof if looked after and the servicing is 2 yearly and about a £1000 should cover a major service.
The PDK box is absolutely brilliant, as others have said in a std Carrera you use the box more, whereas in a turbo you click it down a few gears on the paddles and it's like hitting warp drive, the speed they pick up is staggering. On the Dinslaken trip last year I got split from the group and found myself on an Autobahn so I booted it and in 6 or 7 seconds I was showing 175 mph and it was still pulling like mad, needless to say I bottled it and then missed the Shell station where everyone was waiting!
Buy the right car and you won't go wrong, my only criticism of mine is the brakes are poor and need upgrading.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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911TEL wrote:
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Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!


500hp/600nm seems pretty close on paper to a standard 997.2 turbo granted the torque wouldn't be available as low down but a lighter car.


It’s all about the delivery ........”The Rush” ......

The n/a doesn’t have it .....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rojdog wrote:
911TEL wrote:
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Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!


500hp/600nm seems pretty close on paper to a standard 997.2 turbo granted the torque wouldn't be available as low down but a lighter car.


It’s all about the delivery ........”The Rush” ......

The n/a doesn’t have it .....


True, but the 991.2 isn't a n/a car. Hand
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
911TEL wrote:
Rojdog wrote:
911TEL wrote:
Rojdog wrote:
Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!


500hp/600nm seems pretty close on paper to a standard 997.2 turbo granted the torque wouldn't be available as low down but a lighter car.


It’s all about the delivery ........”The Rush” ......

The n/a doesn’t have it .....


True, but the 991.2 isn't a n/a car. Hand


Exactly, although smaller blowers.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rojdog wrote:
T8 wrote:
911TEL wrote:
Rojdog wrote:
911TEL wrote:
Rojdog wrote:
Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!


500hp/600nm seems pretty close on paper to a standard 997.2 turbo granted the torque wouldn't be available as low down but a lighter car.


It’s all about the delivery ........”The Rush” ......

The n/a doesn’t have it .....


True, but the 991.2 isn't a n/a car. Hand


Exactly, although smaller blowers.


Ah ha ... that will teach me to read properly .... you are both right ....

Still.... they are not The Turbo though ....!😎😎
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just sold my Mexico Blue 997.2 C4S with EVOSMIT tune and other goodies and got exactly what you asking 997.2 Turbo PDK.

handling - i think the C4S was better, but i had the Techart springs so not really fair. The test drive in the turbo was what sold me , the torque comes in early but finishes fast ,the 50mph to 100mph pull was finished in seconds , the C4S still was great to drive more linear except a noticable bump in torque from 4000rpm to 7000rpm the power goes on and on and loves to scream. The higher it is reved, the happier the car and the driver. The exhaust note is an exotic burble to a high pitched scream. All this adds to a great driving experience.

In the turbo though, yes it is fast, yes it pulls in the mid range. But what i am missing now is the exhaust note, though it has the Fabspeed cross pipe, the tone is more low frequency, it does not crackle and pop like the C4S.

Maybe i have made the wrong choice, maybe i have not, but the C4S (NA) is still damn fast car which handles so well and more than enough for most people.


Another reason for the turbo was the potential for power gains is huge with the turbo, just a EVOSMIT tune gives 60hp+ easy, whereas the NA cars would take a lot of effort and money. This can wait until I have mastered the stock car which should be plenty for now.
 



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice car bricheun, exactly what I'd be looking for if I was to buy - my favourite colour, although I'm a little wary of centre locks (never had them before). Why are so many 997 Turbos Basalt Black?
Anyway, thanks again, exactly the sort of input I was searching for.

Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?
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Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?



You'd probably be horrified by what you'd be offered as part-ex in the current market. Sadly the private sales market seems pretty flat too.

Your best bet (imo) would be to try 'Sale or Return' through one of the recognised Porsche Specialists and then shop for a replacement.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
Nice car bricheun, exactly what I'd be looking for if I was to buy - my favourite colour, although I'm a little wary of centre locks (never had them before). Why are so many 997 Turbos Basalt Black?
Anyway, thanks again, exactly the sort of input I was searching for.

Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?


Most are BB because that is the best colour for a Turbo ( that or GT Silver) !!

C/L’s... if you like to swap your summer / winter sets yourself ... you will need a (very) long torque wrench as the figure is in region of 600n/ms ........


Personally , I don’t like them had them on a gen2 GT3 , ( and had the recall done on them)
but appreciate that others do ..I don’t think the Turbo c/ls are the best suited to the Turbo , but there are others of course ....

Prices on Turbo(S) are pretty strong these days but there are good reasonably priced cars around .....
PDK advantages are well documented these days ,only the modern PDK box trumps it .....

If you try one , you will get the bug for sure ...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
Nice car bricheun, exactly what I'd be looking for if I was to buy - my favourite colour, although I'm a little wary of centre locks (never had them before). Why are so many 997 Turbos Basalt Black?
Anyway, thanks again, exactly the sort of input I was searching for.

Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?


Its GT silver so all good here - its a nice colour. Since it is 2nd hand I can't demand or remove any options. The C/L was a pain to swap over the tyres from my C4S, a 5 foot pipe - but it is easy to do because it has alignment arrows to indicate if you torqued enough.
NA is still fast - very much fun. Enjoy both cars. PDK is also very fast, its not as engaging as a manual but if you want fast then the PDK is the one.
I sold my C4S before buying the turbo.Not loaded you know :-(
 
  
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I had the same issue with the exhaust note. Sharkwerks one sorted that out. The exhaust does crack and pop. I have a cab and the sound is superb.

The 4S I replaced also came with a stock exhaust which I changed to a PSE and that was a cab as well.

The Turbo with the sharkwerks pipe sound better to me than the 4S with the PSE.


bricheun wrote:
Just sold my Mexico Blue 997.2 C4S with EVOSMIT tune and other goodies and got exactly what you asking 997.2 Turbo PDK.

handling - i think the C4S was better, but i had the Techart springs so not really fair. The test drive in the turbo was what sold me , the torque comes in early but finishes fast ,the 50mph to 100mph pull was finished in seconds , the C4S still was great to drive more linear except a noticable bump in torque from 4000rpm to 7000rpm the power goes on and on and loves to scream. The higher it is reved, the happier the car and the driver. The exhaust note is an exotic burble to a high pitched scream. All this adds to a great driving experience.

In the turbo though, yes it is fast, yes it pulls in the mid range. But what i am missing now is the exhaust note, though it has the Fabspeed cross pipe, the tone is more low frequency, it does not crackle and pop like the C4S.

Maybe i have made the wrong choice, maybe i have not, but the C4S (NA) is still damn fast car which handles so well and more than enough for most people.


Another reason for the turbo was the potential for power gains is huge with the turbo, just a EVOSMIT tune gives 60hp+ easy, whereas the NA cars would take a lot of effort and money. This can wait until I have mastered the stock car which should be plenty for now.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also have the EVOSMIT tune, it is totally worth it. Gets rid of the turbo lag.
With the OBDII port its a doddle to install, just need a PC.
arifg wrote:
I had the same issue with the exhaust note. Sharkwerks one sorted that out. The exhaust does crack and pop. I have a cab and the sound is superb.

The 4S I replaced also came with a stock exhaust which I changed to a PSE and that was a cab as well.

The Turbo with the sharkwerks pipe sound better to me than the 4S with the PSE.


bricheun wrote:
Just sold my Mexico Blue 997.2 C4S with EVOSMIT tune and other goodies and got exactly what you asking 997.2 Turbo PDK.

handling - i think the C4S was better, but i had the Techart springs so not really fair. The test drive in the turbo was what sold me , the torque comes in early but finishes fast ,the 50mph to 100mph pull was finished in seconds , the C4S still was great to drive more linear except a noticable bump in torque from 4000rpm to 7000rpm the power goes on and on and loves to scream. The higher it is reved, the happier the car and the driver. The exhaust note is an exotic burble to a high pitched scream. All this adds to a great driving experience.

In the turbo though, yes it is fast, yes it pulls in the mid range. But what i am missing now is the exhaust note, though it has the Fabspeed cross pipe, the tone is more low frequency, it does not crackle and pop like the C4S.

Maybe i have made the wrong choice, maybe i have not, but the C4S (NA) is still damn fast car which handles so well and more than enough for most people.


Another reason for the turbo was the potential for power gains is huge with the turbo, just a EVOSMIT tune gives 60hp+ easy, whereas the NA cars would take a lot of effort and money. This can wait until I have mastered the stock car which should be plenty for now.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's "EVOMSIT" isn't it, chaps? Anyway, one of the attractions of (any) Turbo is the ease with which you can increase power. That said, you have to question how much power you can sensibly use on UK roads. I must say I've never felt my car's weedy 345 hp wasn't enough.
Or is it a case of "the more power the better"?
Or, as mention earlier, perhaps the real attraction is the manner in which it's delivered. Many of you have mentioned the "turbo rush" as opposed to the more linear delivery of an NA engine.
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Many of you have mentioned the "turbo rush" as opposed to the more linear delivery of an NA engine.



I've often likened the 'turbo rush' to being catapulted. In the right gear at any two figure speed it's like an elastic band being stretched and then let go.

When accelerating from a three figure speed in a standard car it's far less evident but that's where the tuners come in. Watching a tuned car spin its wheels at 120mph+ is something to behold.

NB: The ease at which these things pile on speed is why the auto versions aren't as maligned as they are with NA cars. The 'shove' can be so immediate that messing around with gear changes can actually spoil the fun.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is indeed EVOMSIT!


Counter Of Beans wrote:
I think it's "EVOMSIT" isn't it, chaps? Anyway, one of the attractions of (any) Turbo is the ease with which you can increase power. That said, you have to question how much power you can sensibly use on UK roads. I must say I've never felt my car's weedy 345 hp wasn't enough.
Or is it a case of "the more power the better"?
Or, as mention earlier, perhaps the real attraction is the manner in which it's delivered. Many of you have mentioned the "turbo rush" as opposed to the more linear delivery of an NA engine.

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[quote="arifg"]It is indeed EVOMSIT!



Yes my bad ..EVO Motorsport Intelligent Tune.😂
 
  
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easternjets wrote:
As they were the poster car of the 80's & 90's they have that kudos that the other cars in the range don't appear to have. The fact that at one time they were one of the fastest cars in the world and a bit of 'widow maker' all added to the 'turbo' mystique. When I had my Carerra in the early 90's and a friend let me have a shot in his brothers black 911 Turbo in Inverness and it was the scariest thing I think I've ever driven.
Nowadays they are probably one of the easiest to live with Supercars you can own, nothing really comes close to them.
They have a great residual, if you buy the right car in the right colour spec etc.
They are pretty much bullet proof if looked after and the servicing is 2 yearly and about a £1000 should cover a major service.
The PDK box is absolutely brilliant, as others have said in a std Carrera you use the box more, whereas in a turbo you click it down a few gears on the paddles and it's like hitting warp drive, the speed they pick up is staggering. On the Dinslaken trip last year I got split from the group and found myself on an Autobahn so I booted it and in 6 or 7 seconds I was showing 175 mph and it was still pulling like mad, needless to say I bottled it and then missed the Shell station where everyone was waiting!
Buy the right car and you won't go wrong, my only criticism of mine is the brakes are poor and need upgrading.

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Dunno what happened there....

Easy fix with brakes Nick. Braided hoses, upgraded pads and fluid. Sorted!
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