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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:36 pm    Post subject: Gen 2 Carrera PDK to Gen 2 Turbo PDK - any advice? Reply with quote

OK I admit it; I'm a serial car changer. I can't help it. After about one year, usually, I get a desire to change, which is odd because everything else in my life stays fairly constant - shoes, diet, football team, wife (in case she's reading this)!
Now, I've had my 2011 Gen 2 Carrera 2 PDK for a year or so and I really, really like it. In fact I've just come back from a drive and I'm buzzing. It's a great car!
And yet............I keep having unfaithful thoughts about a Gen 2 PDK Turbo. I drove one a while ago and found the performance shattering; it's a damn fast machine. But it would be £70k for a nice one - roughly double the cost of my current car.
So my questions: has anyone gone from a Gen 2 997 Carrera to a Gen 2 997 Turbo? Did you regret it? Was it worth the extra money? Which one did you prefer to drive? Is the Turbo a one trick pony?
BTW, I love the PDK so it really would have to be Gen 2.
Cheers, Mike.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You can drive a Turbo like a Carrera but when conditions allow you can't drive a Carrera like a Turbo"

Seriously, a lot of people prefer the more linear power delivery of a normally aspirated car rather than the rush that a Turbo can give when 'on boost'. From a limited test drive that's what most people remember. In the day-to-day world the torque of a Turbo is what really hooks you for the long term.

Have another drive in one - but make sure you drive it as if you own it rather than like you've stolen it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 997.2 3.6 PDK Carrera and never once thought I needed more power. I admire the looks of a Turbo but is worth an extra £35k over my current car? Of course not.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve always felt a soft spot for the Turbo, but I’ve never been sufficiently convinced. Haven’t driven the 997.2, but drove a couple of 996 Turbos.

I’d also want the PDK and they were far more expensive when I was looking.

For my journey to work it’d hardly make a difference, apart from costs. When I’m away it would be great on the Autobahn when the conditions allow, albeit not sounding as good. For the twistes and alpine roads I think I might miss the Carrera.

People that have made the change will probably stick up for the car. I only know one guy with a Turbo that hardly ever mentions the performance.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it do it.

I've had my 997.2cs for about 6 months and I love it, in fact plan on keeping it forever.

However If I could afford another 35k I would have the turbo in a heartbeat.

Carrera = sports car Turbo = Supercar In my opinion.

I would also stick with the PDK.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:22 pm    Post subject: reviewed 14 02 2019 Reply with quote

I wrote this in 2013, after previously asking a very similar question, just after part-exing my 2002 996C4 for £13k against a 2004 996T priced at £29,995 so, imo, it's a valid comparison.

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Thanks to all that contributed to this thread and to those that I've had various 'PM' discussions with. Thumb

400 miles into Turbo ownership and 2 hours after my first 'proper' solo drive I now feel qualified to answer my own question. Grin

The 74 miles that I drove this morning took in all of my local fun routes (50/50 A and B roads, no dual carriageways) and allowed me to make a direct comparison between my old 996C4 and my 'new' toy.

These are the most relevant.

1. The 'balance' that's achieved by keeping the NA car at 4,000 rpm+ can be done in the Turbo at 2,800 ie. just when 0.1 bar is starting to show.

2. The 'kick' that a NA car gives between 4,500 and 6,000 rpm is matched between 2,800 and 4,000. It's what happens then that really brings home the difference between the two cars. At 4000 rpm most of the additional 100 bhp is just 'there' .......... instantly. The final 10% takes a little bit longer to come but by that time it's normally time to back off anyway.

3. The other major difference is noticed when slowing down. iirc the Turbo weighs in at 100kg heavier than the C4 (not the C4S). Under most circumstances the extra weight is not noticeable but under braking it most definitely is! The combination of the extra weight, lack of engine braking - and the fact that you're going quicker between the corners - brings home to me why these things are renowned for eating pads (and discs Surprised ).

4. Handling wise there's probably very little between the two, as both are 4wd, but the Turbo seems to absorb the bumps better. It feels 'softer' but this may just be because my 'T' is 2 years newer than the C4 was and it's also done a few miles less. Dont know .

In summary I am already starting to see why the Turbo is held in such high regard by so many people, including those far more experienced in driving fast cars than me. It's not just the rate that these monsters can cover cross-country distances, it's the ease with which they do it.

The reason for my original post was my concern that the fantastic 'driveability' of the C4 would not be matched if I changed to a Turbo and that the 'cost to change' may not offer the same Very Happy 's per £.

After only 19 days I'm pleased to report ........... Cloud 9

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make the change, once you have it you'll see why it is worth the money over a Carrera thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changed from a 997.2 4S to a 997.2 turbo

Worth every penny and to me the difference is quite significant. The acceleration is brutal and if you enjoy that sort of thing, the turbo is unmatched.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve owned my magnificent 997.2 turbo over three years now.

I keep having this recurring dilemma... what do I replace it with??? It’s such a complete bang for buck weapon. Ticks all boxes, totally love it!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys, you guys......I was half hoping you'd say "bad move, it's a worse car, don't do it!". Only Ben and Magic have suggested staying put.
Sounds like I need another drive in a Turbo, the last drive was 18 months ago, so maybe I need to refresh my memory.
Anyone else think it's a bad move then, anyone.........?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one EVER!!! wrote:
Anyone else think it's a bad move then, anyone.........?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with the rest of the turbo team 3 years in bloody love it missed out the lesser models Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
You guys, you guys......I was half hoping you'd say "bad move, it's a worse car, don't do it!". Only Ben and Magic have suggested staying put.
Sounds like I need another drive in a Turbo, the last drive was 18 months ago, so maybe I need to refresh my memory.
Anyone else think it's a bad move then, anyone.........?


I went from a Gen2 GT3 to my Turbo S and absolutely no regrets the Turbo(S) is a far more usable real world car ....
Everyday duties are tackled with ease and can be driven like Miss Daisy ( often the case these days)
But.....
There are those moments when nothing else will do , and I don’t believe there is another car could transform itself the way a 997 Turbo does ......it is the best looking iteration of all 911’s after all.....

If you feel the need to scratch the itch ,you have to ....
You will then find out why those that have, love it and those that don’t , ‘ can’t see the point’ ...
You WILL agree ......of that there is no doubt .....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rojdog wrote:
Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazc2 wrote:
I'm with the rest of the turbo team 3 years in bloody love it missed out the lesser models Very Happy


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Take cover .....!!

You are going to get it for that one ...!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
Rojdog wrote:
Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Hmmmm..er .........not really ......!


500hp/600nm seems pretty close on paper to a standard 997.2 turbo granted the torque wouldn't be available as low down but a lighter car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rojdog wrote:
Just at thought 70k will get you into a 991.2 or an S if you push it a little. Then a remap will put you pretty close to 997.2 turbo performance I'm led to believe?


Certainly true that you can get a 991.2 base Carrera for mid-seventies, but I would worry about the depreciation on those models, whereas I suspect that a £70k 997.2 Turbo would hold its value better.
Plus, and this is possibly irrational, there's something appealing about owning the "top" model (GT cars excepted of course).
Great contributions so far gentlemen, keep them coming.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned my 997.1 Turbo (manual) for 10 (yes 10) years in a few months time. I've driven quite a few 997.1/.2 Carrera's over the years and everything is night and day. The Turbo will amble along in 6th gear at 30mph (not that I would do that!) and then pull to a (rev-limited) 205 on the speedo. Suspension compliance, especially with the DSC Sport module is also more controlled, and the brakes (mine has PCCBs) is also a step up.

THe NA engine sound is more pleasant over a .1T car, but the .2T car does sound a little better standard.

The delivery is of course different, you need to wring the neck of the Carrera whereas the Turbo will despatch it in 6th gear at pretty much any speed. It can be quite worrying when you get the moment to look at your speed and see where you're at, be very aware of that.

Similar to what Terry said, 'it's nice to know you have the power but not need it, rather than not having the power but needing it'!

And then of course you have the wide body and better residuals, what's not to like!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:


Plus, and this is possibly irrational, there's something appealing about owning the "top" model (GT cars excepted of course).



If you are measuring 'top model' by retail price when they are new it's only the RS models that top the Turbo. Smile
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