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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...diesel is a filthy pollutant; a fuel that we were duped into subscribing to; the engines are noisy,complex and require a urine clogged filter to manage the shite puffed out the back...

& frankly I simply don't understand why anyone buying a car with such a value is concerned with mpg ?!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG wrote:
...diesel is a filthy pollutant; a fuel that we were duped into subscribing to; the engines are noisy,complex and require a urine clogged filter to manage the shite puffed out the back...

& frankly I simply don't understand why anyone buying a car with such a value is concerned with mpg ?!


Thanks for your input, if i do buy it then i will make sure you are the first to know and look forward to you judging me accordingly.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

segart wrote:

I remember seeing the advert. I sold my 03 c4s to an enthusiastic private chap who advertised for one locally. It only made 20k, but that was 4k more than it cost me and not too bad for a non vat paid car. And whilst there is a bit of hype around c4s values i am not sure how many are making the asking price.


That's not bad going, garage gave me £21k which i was pleased with, it was an '02 with about 70k on clock.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to get my head round service intervals/oil change.

From what i can tell service should happen every two years but oil is meant to be changed annually, is that correct?

Is there a section in service book which will show whether the oil changes have been done annually?

The GTS i'm also going to have a look at is a 2012 and has been serviced in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2107.

Should i be concerned it's missed the 2016 and 2018 oil change or could they have been done but just not recorded as a service?

I hope that makes some sort of sense !!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

service is every two years. The book will say the limits but details of servicing (last and next due etc) are contained in the 'Service' info on the digital display.

Your lucky you're not talking F gen Mini as they don't have a service book. It's all in the car computer Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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service is every two years. The book will say the limits but details of servicing (last and next due etc) are contained in the 'Service' info on the digital display.

Your lucky you're not talking F gen Mini as they don't have a service book. It's all in the car computer Rolling Eyes


Thanks so as long as it's been serviced at least every 2 years that's the important thing and i shouldn't be too concerned about the annual oil change?

Don't think the GTS is specced quite as well as the Diesel S but will see what sort of a feel i get for them.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can i just reiterate .. you Will get DPF problems and possibly as low as 300-500 miles and need a tester to do a forced regen , whilst im a big fan of the Cayenne i think the diesel will give you problems with the milage you will be doing .

Petrol imho .
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can i just reiterate .. you Will get DPF problems and possibly as low as 300-500 miles and need a tester to do a forced regen , whilst im a big fan of the Cayenne i think the diesel will give you problems with the milage you will be doing .

Petrol imho .


Thanks for posting, I'm not doubting you in the slightest as i've seen a lot of your posts and you clearly know what you're talking about.
I just don't understand how people over here are able to have modern diesels as it is simply impossible to run at 40mph+ for 15 minutes here.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree .. any diesel with a DPF will suffer if it doesnt get a long run to clean it .. perhaps they just have them removed Dont know
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It is a complete mystery. As Blakey says you cannot go 50 yards without seeing a bunch of modern rr, porsche, toyota, jaguar diesels. How do they manage? But with all the issues and costs associated with diesels, Ian (demort) has a point. Blakey if you would like another pair of eyes on the possible purchase give me a shout. Happy to kick the tyres with you!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...I genuinely don't understand why,given the myriad issues associated with the diesel engine, anyone today would even contemplate buying one?

But then again some people voted to leave the continent they occupy ? And that turned out ok ... so what do I know...



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...I genuinely don't understand why,given the myriad issues associated with the diesel engine, anyone today would even contemplate buying one?

But then again some people voted to leave the continent they occupy ? And that turned out ok ... so what do I know...



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Ok we get it, you hate diesels.

You'll be overjoyed to hear that i am also going to look at a GTS, have you got anything constructive to add about that?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is a complete mystery. As Blakey says you cannot go 50 yards without seeing a bunch of modern rr, porsche, toyota, jaguar diesels. How do they manage? But with all the issues and costs associated with diesels, Ian (demort) has a point. Blakey if you would like another pair of eyes on the possible purchase give me a shout. Happy to kick the tyres with you!
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Cheers Rick, that's really kind of you to offer. I'll see how i get on and if i'm struggling to make a decision i'll give you a shout.
 
  
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I'll get the Colini stick out if you'll fly me over to inspect it Thumb


Whoaaaa, this thread isn't going in the direction i had intended it to !!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...given you live on a tiny island...what about a cycle or Sinclair C5 Very Happy
 
  
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...given you live on a tiny island...what about a cycle or Sinclair C5 Very Happy


...you are aware you're on a car forum ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG wrote:
...I genuinely don't understand why,given the myriad issues associated with the diesel engine, anyone today would even contemplate buying one?
But then again some people voted to leave the continent they occupy ? And that turned out ok ... so what do I know...
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I'll steer clear of the B word. So, why might a person choose diesel? One reason is the torque, which is desirable in big SUV's. I had a Range Rover, and the truck engine in that (4.4 litre diesel twin turbo) is perfect for that car. Lots of lovely dieselly grunt.
Second, there's economy. My RR averaged 30 mpg, whereas the petrol one (5 litre supercharged) would be mid teens at best. I never had any DPF issues since I did long runs every so often.
Third, reliability. I know there's a lot of talk about DPF's, EGR valves and the like, but all the taxi drivers round here run Skoda or Merc diesels, and they all have 100k miles on them. Ask the drivers and they report very few issues, especially with the Skodas. GMG, you of all people know about petrol engine reliability!!
And finally the anti-social element. Petrol engines with direct injection but without particulate filters may well be far more dangerous to health than diesels, although I do agree that NOx from diesels in urban areas is a problem. I doubt that the latest Euro-whatever diesels are especially anti-social, although I'm not an expert.

Anyway, there you go - some reasons for choosing the devil's fuel.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blakeyjersey wrote:

Ok we get it, you hate diesels.

You'll be overjoyed to hear that i am also going to look at a GTS, have you got anything constructive to add about that?


Actually I rather like diesel cars given I've got three of them. I regularly get tarred and feathered for using Satan's fuel but they suit my needs in that they're economical, engines seem bulletproof and can hammer the miles.

Mrs Z has a diesel old enough not to have a DPF and that is confined to local shops and dogmobile approx 5 miles a day and doesn't have an issue. The ideal car would be EV/Hybrid but Mrs Z doesn't like autos Rolling Eyes

Miss Z has a diesel Mini (DPF) that she used on 40 mile commutes but more recently short trips. The exhaust on that gets sooty but just about gets a regular long trip up/down the motorway to keep the DPF happy (I think). I've started using some DPF cleaner additive and that seems to help.

My daily is a F56 CooperS diesel which is THE best car I have ever owned - and that's saying something! It's got nearly every extra, modern sat nav which is easy and cheap to upgrade maps, 60+mpg and a power delivery and handling that takes some beating. Grin Commutes in it are all motorway so no DPF issues I expect and a very very clean exhaust.

My Cayenne (2012) was a diesel and very well spec'd. That was great and a mile muncher 30+mpg and as a works hack would do 1000 business miles a month mainly motorway so I suspect no DPF issues.

I think there's a lot of scaremongering about modern diesel and DPF issues but if you look at a lot of city private hire, if they're not Prius Hybrid they're modern diesel Dont know
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blakeyjersey wrote:

Ok we get it, you hate diesels.

You'll be overjoyed to hear that i am also going to look at a GTS, have you got anything constructive to add about that?


Actually I rather like diesel cars given I've got three of them. I regularly get tarred and feathered for using Satan's fuel but they suit my needs in that they're economical, engines seem bulletproof and can hammer the miles.

Mrs Z has a diesel old enough not to have a DPF and that is confined to local shops and dogmobile approx 5 miles a day and doesn't have an issue. The ideal car would be EV/Hybrid but Mrs Z doesn't like autos Rolling Eyes

Miss Z has a diesel Mini (DPF) that she used on 40 mile commutes but more recently short trips. The exhaust on that gets sooty but just about gets a regular long trip up/down the motorway to keep the DPF happy (I think). I've started using some DPF cleaner additive and that seems to help.

My daily is a F56 CooperS diesel which is THE best car I have ever owned - and that's saying something! It's got nearly every extra, modern sat nav which is easy and cheap to upgrade maps, 60+mpg and a power delivery and handling that takes some beating. Grin Commutes in it are all motorway so no DPF issues I expect and a very very clean exhaust.

My Cayenne (2012) was a diesel and very well spec'd. That was great and a mile muncher 30+mpg and as a works hack would do 1000 business miles a month mainly motorway so I suspect no DPF issues.

I think there's a lot of scaremongering about modern diesel and DPF issues but if you look at a lot of city private hire, if they're not Prius Hybrid they're modern diesel Dont know


I was replying to GMG when I said ‘you don’t like diesels’ Very Happy

Anyway, been to look at both the Diesel S and GTS this morning and I’m leaning towards the GTS.
The Diesel S has 18 way sports seats in a nice subtle cream but also has a contrasting poop brown leather dash etc which put me right off. Had heated steering wheel with carbon inserts which was a bonus but there were no heater controls in the back for rear passengers whereas the GTS did have that.
Taking the GTS out on Tuesday. Got to start it up in the showroom and it is a lovely sounding car.
So now we’ve decided that Diesel and dpf is going to be then end of the world for me and the rest of the human race what should I look out for with the Petrol GTS?
Surprisingly I really liked the Carmine Red with contrasting black alloys in the flesh. It stood out and didn’t actually feel like it would be to showy.
It’s a 2012, are transfer boxes/oil an issue with these?
Are the petrols engines as reliable as the diesels?
 
  
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