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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taking into accounts everyone’s comments what about this 2S with sports seats and Aircon and non modified??


Personally, I dont like the wide body, the colour or the interior colour.. but if you do thats great. Cameron is good place, I got my GT3 from them
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject: rs look a like Reply with quote

The Cameron car looks nice but to for me it would have to be the Hexagon car. It looks stunning in Yellow with the RS kit. For a low mileage example I know it's a fair old wedge but I would be thinking I would lose more on a 992 but this is much cooler.
Border Rievers also have a yellow rs lookalike in stock which I think was £75k the last time I looked. None of the rs look cars seem to sell very quick at Dealers. The silver car at RPR626 must have been on sale for around 4 years!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the Hex and Borders cars still have headlight washers.. they should be welded up Cool
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok the Borders car looks stunning as well.

Link here for ref.

http://borderreivers.co/portfolio/porsche-scotland-993rs/

What however based on people’s comments about mods has this done to the value of this car?

There’s loads more mods but seems to suggest FSH and sports seats and from the advert proper Speedline wheels so they will all help but has this been chopped around too much and with the actual RS badging is it trying too hard to be something it’s not?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was selling the Borders car I would have put better seats and better tyers
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I think they should say Speedline replica wheels, they look like Tramonts
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite visually looking epic (except no washer delete and wrong seata), take slight offence to the Borders 'drives like an RS' comment in the ad as this looks to be more of a visual tribute to an rs:

- no varioram
- no 3.8 engine
- sunroof weight!
- h&r suspension...you'd want more details, might not be high-end
- no rs clutch
- no rs flywheel

Is that really going to drive like an rs? unlikely. Not that you'd expect to build a proper rs tribute for £80k....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameron car looks stunning, that would be my pick with your budget. Have warmed to the john major grey interior over time, think it suits a 993 now
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeknivett wrote:

Zingari I’ve been pondering this all day. I really do personally love the look of the yellow RS but talk of engine rebuilds etc is worrying.

Taking into accounts everyone’s comments what about this 2S with sports seats and Aircon and non modified??

https://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U711/


Over the yellow this C2S would be my choice all day long. Ideally for a better price. Not keen on light grey interior.

I think this car was owned by someone on here who can vouch its a good one Question
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameron car is a forum members car. Grey interior will hold it back.

Borders RS rep has been around a long time and i'd wager that the wheels are not even Tramonts, more like single piece Veloce (£800/Set). Baggy seats and ditch finder tyres also do it no favours! £50k car IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won’t derail Mikes thread, but thanks for the comments chaps.

I’ll start a fresh thread on my contenders maybe.

I’m actually considering the RPR car.
For -
Clean, straight, 6 owners, genuine RS kit, Giken LSD, KW coilovers with RS top mounts, Wayne Schofield remap. All mods I welcome. Especially the suspension.

Against -
Mileage, non-VR, wrong seats, cheapie one piece wheels, mish mash of dark blue trim with some black bits and needs some paint to be mint.

Peter has had it for 2.5 years. I know Peter and have bought from him before as well.
I can have a discount of which I won’t state the figure publicly. Wink

I’m mulling it over this week and maybe viewing at the weekend or next week to see if it fits the bill.
I’d want to change the interior to all black and source some proper RS wheels eventually.
No air con by the looks of it from the control panel. Massive issue that as I’ve a 3 week road trip through France and Italy in August.

Any opinions anyone, feel free to pm me if you’re bored enough. All feedback welcomed so feel free.
If not I’ll start a thread if I get serious. My 996 is so thoroughly sorted I’m having to do some soul searching to ditch it so quickly and spend about £30k more to start again on something else.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cableguy wrote:
Cameron car is a forum members car. Grey interior will hold it back.

Borders RS rep has been around a long time and i'd wager that the wheels are not even Tramonts, more like single piece Veloce (£800/Set). Baggy seats and ditch finder tyres also do it no favours! £50k car IMO.

C.


I think I looked at that Borders car years ago when I had my 964T.
It had had 14 owners then. 18 now apparently. Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are in the market for a 993 and not shy about opening your wallet I would NOT be looking at high end dealer cars. All the dealers have one thing in common. They are in business with intent to make a profit. I don’t condemn for that but on old cars like these, you aren’t getting a bullet proof no quibble 3 year warranty. You are paying a big fat premium to own a car likely bought from an enthusiast. Thus, my advice, cut out the middle man.

There are some on this forum who have spent not inconsiderable amounts in both maintaining and improving their cars. I’ve seen some of the cars people own here. There cars aren’t advertised and aren’t for sale. BUT everthng has a price.

Try and buy a car from an established owner here. Forum members here hold some of the best cars in the UK. My car is sold, off the top of my head I can think of several (not for sale) 993’s better than those you linked to.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borders & RPR car have both been for sale for some time... Both RS lookalikes and both not done particularly well aesthetically IMO. RPR car has some nice, well chosen mods but I guess its sticking around due to the colour scheme, the interior being particularly marmite. If bought at the right money then £3-4k should see a Black interior in there which would improve the car 100%.

As mentioned in the thread, enthusiast owned & forum user cars would undoubtedly be the preferred option. Dealers have the advantage with warranties and easy finance but PPI's would be a must.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

badlands wrote:

- no rs clutch
- no rs flywheel

Is that really going to drive like an rs? unlikely.


993 RS came with Standard DMF and clutch, you could spec the LWF as an option.

Trev
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, thanks for clarifying.

Good thread, nice to see moving into a 993 for when the weather improves!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
mikeknivett wrote:

Zingari I’ve been pondering this all day. I really do personally love the look of the yellow RS but talk of engine rebuilds etc is worrying.

Taking into accounts everyone’s comments what about this 2S with sports seats and Aircon and non modified??

https://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U711/


Over the yellow this C2S would be my choice all day long. Ideally for a better price. Not keen on light grey interior.

I think this car was owned by someone on here who can vouch its a good one Question


Widebody none turbo 993, one of the best looking cars ever built IMHO Thumb

This would be my choice as its a rarer manual S (many are tip nb all 4S are manuals)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odd car that Border Reivers one. Non vram but has the vram a/c pipes in the engine bay. Those seats look a mess, no radio, Rennline lower dash and those horrible dial surrounds. There is no way it will drive like a genuine RS, more likely somewhere inbetween. It will not have 3.8 vram midrange torque. Closest ones I've seen are Jackal's and one 9m did several years ago. Yes the RS flywheel is the 964 RS one not 993. It's a quite nice 993 with 8k or so worth of bits (resale) so about 20k overvalued imho.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U711/[/quote]

Over the yellow this C2S would be my choice all day long. Ideally for a better price. Not keen on light grey interior.

I think this car was owned by someone on here who can vouch its a good one Question[/quote]

Yes Zingari, this was in fact my car.
Loved the car to bits and never wanted to sell it, but building project required some cash Sad
The car is in great condition and almost faultless. Tiny oil leak from one of the rocker covers, so needs a new gasket. Chassis rails done...details on this forum, suspension done by Centre Gravity using Koni FSD’s, clutch master & slave cylinders replaced and DOT 4, braided hoses, no rust around screens, perfect interior, almost like new! C4 engine mounts. Need new gas struts on engine lid, as they are a little weak.
All services in my ownership done by OPC Cardiff (8yrs) others by recognised specialists and main dealers.
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Maybe one day I’ll have another 993 Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumb And indeed that's the car the OP should be buying. By comparison not the Hexagon NB rolled in RS glitter Grin
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