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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to read through all the posts so sorry if I step on toes by repeating, but here's my opinion because I went through the same thought process 3-4 years ago

I ultimately decided on a 996 as you can get "more" for your money (in your case, more is less miles). The 996 is slightly more analogue which is ultimately what I was after, and I actually really like the way they look - I believe they'll be a future classic for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of love for the 996 in this forum. Which is no bad thing. I just can't get over the headlights.

When I got my car (in October 2015), the 991.1 was still the current generation 911 and anything older than a 997.2 would have come with a tiptronic/automatic gearbox (as a manual in Dubai is a very rare thing).

To be frank, I didn't even consider the 996. And I wasn't too keen on a 997.1 as there is effectively a ten-year ceiling on a car in Dubai: after 6 years, you can't get agency insurance (ie repairs by OPC), and after 10 years, you can't get comprehensive insurance. As it was, I only had a 5 year window..

You wouldn't beleive the beautiful 993s I saw, just stored and undriven. No one wanted to venture forth into traffic in those things without cover.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same debate on here 18 months ago. Got some great advice and I would link the thread for you if I knew how. Embarassed

I narrowed it down to 996 C4S or 997 C2S. I went 997 in the end but both were great cars. At the time I think a good 996 C4S wasnt vastly different in price to the equivalent 997 C2S.

I remember it was a great dilemma to have and whatever the outcome at the end of it you own a 911 thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlpinaB3S wrote:


I had the same debate on here 18 months ago. Got some great advice and I would link the thread for you if I knew how. Embarassed



Here ya go --> http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=123443&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlpinaB3S wrote:
I had the same debate on here 18 months ago. Got some great advice and I would link the thread for you if I knew how. Embarassed

I narrowed it down to 996 C4S or 997 C2S. I went 997 in the end but both were great cars. At the time I think a good 996 C4S wasnt vastly different in price to the equivalent 997 C2S.

I remember it was a great dilemma to have and whatever the outcome at the end of it you own a 911 thumbsup


We clearly had similar thought processes as I ended up with a 997 C2S also.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
AlpinaB3S wrote:


I had the same debate on here 18 months ago. Got some great advice and I would link the thread for you if I knew how. Embarassed



Here ya go --> http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=123443&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=


Cheers T8. Did i just need to cut and paste from my browser?

A= I just 'right clicked' on the original thread title and copied it. Then pasted it onto this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_nieto wrote:


We clearly had similar thought processes as I ended up with a 997 C2S also.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it were possible I would have all 996 crushed into a cube, so I never have to see those lights again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very mixed bag or replies as you would expect. what I have found is the 996 is a more linear drivers car due to the lack of driver aids the 997.1 is more up to date but still dated in some areas . I personally prefer the 996.2 lights to the 996.1 but thats just me. I have seen some stunning 996s and some quite leggy 997s So for me if 18k was my budget then a good high spec rebuilt engined 996 over an early 997.1 thats not been rebuilt. If you can stretch to mid 20k's then a rebuilt 997 would be my choice. If your planning to keep it a few years then your going to be happier in a car with a properly rebuilt engine and that will be more important than whether its a 996 or 997 .
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlpinaB3S wrote:
tom_nieto wrote:


We clearly had similar thought processes as I ended up with a 997 C2S also.


Great arent they Thumb


Absolutely, living the dream! Although I do sometimes catch myself looking a little too long at the 996 C4S rear as one goes by!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
If it were possible I would have all 996 crushed into a cube, so I never have to see those lights again.


Not much chance of that seeing the 986 Boxster had the same lights Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996 C4s all the way... I'll demonstrate using pictures

Edit. Oops it appears I've posted a picture of a Mini instead of a 997.1... My apologies, The headlights are so similar
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lost me Confused
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG wrote:
You lost me Confused


Hmm, me too. 11.54pm. Must have been pi55ed... Confused
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Hertsdriver
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

Thank you for all the replies, love the banter Razz completely expected and nice to see the passion for each model.

Lots to think about... will check that youtube video as well so thank you for that tip.

Can I just confirm though that the 3.8 engine has an altered/updated/uprated IMS configuration, and that therefore if I am looking at 3.8 engines the chances of engine issues (bore scoring and general wear and tear aside) would be less than a 3.6 996.2?

And also a tiptronic 3.8 will have the updated box over a 3.6 997/996 or 3.4? I hadnt really considered the tiptronic 996's as the system is quite old and not particularly sophisticated (its an auto really right?) but would consider it if the 997.1 3.8's come with the updated box.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early Gen1 'S' with the Tip' box are generally reckoned to be the most likely to have issues. Later Gen1 cars were better but to minimise risk a gen2 car, 3.6 or 3.8, would be a safer bet.

The Tiptronic box is a standard automatic but one of the best around - especially when used in 'M' mode. That said, it doesn't compare well with dual-clutch systems like PDK.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:10 pm    Post subject: Both the 996 and 997 are great cars Reply with quote

I had a 996 C2 2004 manual box, added stainless exhaust and very much enjoyed the car.
The interior was not falling apart did not feel cheap and overall the car had been well looked after. It felt more than quick enough for me and being a vanilla model with a few nice extras it just felt like a small nimble sports car to me. Never fell in love with the turbo style headlights but smiled everytime I drove it.

I now have a 997.2 C2S. It is newer looking inside, not 991 etc. Did not initially like the PDK it was a slow burner but now all good with that. I prefer the front end but just subjective to the viewer. More than fast enough but if I bought again I would have gone manual gearbox. Mine was a 997.2 showroom car from Exeter so has some nice extras.


Both cars are great - if you can source a good 996 with IMS done maybe a borescope for peace of mind not too high a mileage, maybe recent clutch done you will love it. They are still very good value but I suspect that as time rolls on the good ones will only creep up in price. The cheapest ones are the price they are for a reason.

Then again the 997 gen 1 is not too much more in funds and again buying carefully will give miles of smiles.

Take your time buying is part of the experience and the fun if any doubts walk away and wait. If you get the chance drive both versions if you are able to.

On both ocassions that I bought I just knew they were for me.

If possible join a local Porshce club and they may be able to help.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.

Likely my Arctic Silver C2S (Manual, 86k) will be up for sale soon around the 20(ish)k mark. Boring story but I have to either let go of my TVR or Pork, so whichever sells first I keep the other.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a1butch wrote:
Hi.

Likely my Arctic Silver C2S (Manual, 86k) will be up for sale soon around the 20(ish)k mark. Boring story but I have to either let go of my TVR or Pork, so whichever sells first I keep the other.
Welcome to PM me if you wish to discuss.


What’s the TVR? I still haven’t scratched that itch!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porkaholic wrote:
Check out Jay Emm on Cars YouTube, Your first Porsche 911? 9964s vs 997.2 C2, been around a while so prices not quite accurate but it's quite interesting,
not childish, depressing or even a little bit silly! Hopefully non controversial either Thumb


Thank you for the suggestion, it was a good watch. Shame it was a 997.2 as those are still out of my reach, but a good watch and not at all childish which is unusual on youtube thumbsup

Here's a link for anybody that hasnt seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHITAXR8Tu4
 
  
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