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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject: GTS - worth the premium? Reply with quote

I'm currently looking for a 997.2 C4S as my daily driver, with the odd track day use for my other half, but keep being drawn to the GTS.

Is it worth the premium? Is it still usable as a commuter car (albeit only 25 miles a day on country roads)? Desirable enough to make resale easy?

Regardless of the one we choose, it will be PDK & 4wd, if that makes a difference.

Decisions, decisions...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think so. more than half way to a GT3 in terms of pace but very usable on our roads.

they hold their value, have some really nice toys and spec on them and drive so well.

I would go for the C2 version if I were you and manual with the alacantara pack. its still wide body as a GTS which is rare to have wide body 2wd. I think only the Gt2 has that.

super super cars and stretch to one if you can.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have one in a heartbeat. When you add it up, the current price difference seems to be roughly the cost of adding the parts that make a GTS what it is, give or take.
The only thing is you either have the choice of white, black or grey for the most part and I've had it up to the back wheels with grey cars in my world. There was a yellow one about 18 months ago at OPC Sheffield in Speed Yellow. That would have been the one for me
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can find one I would do it. You will have no issues with resale.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be honest I am not totally sure what makes a 997 GTS a 997 GTS with regards the differences between a 997 S or 4S?

Yeah I know its a daft question
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 S (2wd) does not have the wider body, only the 4s does.

GTS has the wider body, centre lock wheels, more power , as well as some nice interior options as standard.

considering they were about £70k new and still trading for £60-65k depending on mileage I would say money well spent.

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997 Carrera GTS (2010)
In 2011, Porsche launched a new, mid-level 911 coming in above the Carrera and below the GT3. Ranging from $103,100 to $112,900 USD, the Carrera GTS was available as both a coupé and cabriolet, the car gets a wider body and track – the only Carrera variant with a wide track that is also rear wheel drive.

The car also has an upgraded 3.8-litre engine generating a maximum power output of 413 metric horsepower (304 kW).[33] The Carrera 4 GTS equipped with all-wheel-drive was unveiled in May, 2011. In addition to the AWD system, the Carrera 4 GTS can be identified by a distinct reflective stripe between the tail lights

good link here: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-911-carrera-gts-2010-review/
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Useful link that thanks Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a 997.1 GT3 and a 997.2 3.6. Having driven the GTS they are slightly more powerful and beautifully speced car but the character has much more in common with the non GT cars.

They are a real sweet spot when it comes to being something nice to use every day or at the weekend.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GTS is worth the premium
and they also retain that premium
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate of mine may be selling his shortly

2011 White GTS 4WD with black centre locks and GT3 body kit (factory option)

I think the mileage is around 34k miles

Would this be of interest?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikeracer1098 wrote:
A mate of mine may be selling his shortly

2011 White GTS 4WD with black centre locks and GT3 body kit (factory option)

I think the mileage is around 34k miles

Would this be of interest?


Yes it would be of interest, please keep me posted. Thank you
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikeracer1098 wrote:
A mate of mine may be selling his shortly

2011 White GTS 4WD with black centre locks and GT3 body kit (factory option)

I think the mileage is around 34k miles

Would this be of interest?


Hi, is it PDK? If so, it might be although I’m not generally a fan of body kits so would have to see pics. Does it have a Porsche Warranty on it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone - looks like it might be worth trying to hunt one down then 👍
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specifically because you're looking for 4wd and PDK, if a) you can afford the GTS and b) care about the spec, I'd argue it can be much easier to find your "right spec" in a GTS than a 4S.

Someone might correct me if I'm wrong but technically speaking, you could have ordered a 997.2 4S in the exact same spec as a GTS if you so wanted (extra power included), just not sure if they offered the alcantara trim which to be honest many GTS owners specced back out to leather anyway. However, finding a 4S with such spec is probably very difficult, whereas there are tons of GTSs out there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good summation of the situation. GTS is a parts bin special, but all the parts you would actually want. I may be wrong but if you specced up a 4S to a GTS spec it worked out cheaper to by the GTS,
I see Hexagon still have a few at silly prices
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went through exactly the same thought process C4S or GTS. I ended up deciding on a C4S, I couldn't justify the extra £20K on a daily. If I spent the extra £20K I think I would always worry about the depreciation due to clocking up the miles, less concerned on a lower value car. I've had garage queens before and didn't want another.

When I looked the GTS seemed very spec sensitive. Some up for sale have been around for a long time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
considering they were about £70k new and still trading for £60-65k depending on mileage I would say money well spent.

I have the original invoice from when mine was new in 2012 and the basic car was £80,990. My car had £19k of options selected and ended up costing the first owner £100,152!! Given that the money spent on options is rarely recouped on resale, an £80k car achieving anything from £60-£70k six years later gives a pretty good indication of how highly they're regarded.

As has been said you could indeed spec up a standard Carrera to match the GTS but many of the reviews at the time sang its praises suggesting there was something special about the GTS and certainly "more than the sum of its parts" as they say.

Regarding residuals, who can say? But certainly as time goes by and as all 997's age and accrue miles the GTS will probably still be regarded as somewhat special and achieve a premium over the standard models. Currently there are 141 adverts for 997 Carrera 4S's on Autotrader and only 10 Carrera 4 GTS's, so when the time comes to sell you are probably less likely to encounter "well thanks for your time but I've got another six cars to go and see..." etc.

I absolutely love my GTS and am yet to use my recently acquired 997.1 GT3 but it's going to have to be pretty special to steal the GTS's thunder!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear All,

The prices of 997 GTS's have fallen significantly in the last year. The premium over a non-GTS is now also reduced.

For instance JZM recently had one up for £60k for a manual, low mileage, bucket seat GTS with Porsche warranty. This would have been more than £70k a year ago.

Average price for a OPC advertised car used to be around £65k, now its £55k.

A little alarming for those (like me) who put their money in what seemed like a safe place.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackliebling wrote:
Dear All,

The prices of 997 GTS's have fallen significantly in the last year. The premium over a non-GTS is now also reduced.

For instance JZM recently had one up for £60k for a manual, low mileage, bucket seat GTS with Porsche warranty. This would have been more than £70k a year ago.

Average price for a OPC advertised car used to be around £65k, now its £55k.

A little alarming for those (like me) who put their money in what seemed like a safe place.

Bag yourself a bargain!


Unfortunately that's the same across most of the Pcar fleet!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackliebling wrote:
Average price for a OPC advertised car used to be around £65k, now its £55k.

Sorry to be picky but that's not the case - currently there are seven 997 GTS's on the Porsche Approved website with an average price of £65,427.

There are three C4GTS's averaging £66,054 and four Carrera GTS's averaging £64,957.

To be fair most sportscars' prices have fallen in the last year and now is a fairly quiet time all round.

It's odd, and I don't know why, but JZM have never really sold their GTS's particularly quickly compared to their turnover of GT3's etc (whereas OPC turnover of GTS's has generally been at a higher rate). As an aside JZM have also become very picky over their stock over the last six months or so and I believe very little has actually been bought into stock and SOR has dominated their sales space.
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