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HSC911
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
It is all bollocks. And Khan is a *****.


No need to hold back...say what you think Judge

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sday12
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes dinosaur

Now breathe....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically come 2021 any diesel vehicle (almost) built before 2014 will need to pay £12.50 a day. Not sure how people can't see this as a tax on the poorer end of society who would struggle to afford a car less than 7 years old.

Of my little fleet, only the wife's TT qualifies to come into the ULEZ, blimey!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the USA holiday planning is getting to you Tynsky but you can't come on here spouting such radical untruths as what you have stated above!

I mean, adverts on Strictly? Really?? It's on BBC for heaven's sake!

Oh, and just as an aside, let's keep it politics free. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just revenue generation for TFL. Their own figures show the number of cars within the zones has fallen by over 10% since introduction, yet pollution has risen while speeds have fallen.

They need to raise more money, hence the increased charges. It should be noted that revenues fell in 2015-16, due t increased volume of low emission vehicles, hence the need to find other revenue streams. 80% of the money is spent on Buses.

Anything over 40 years old is exempt. Hence I will save the 997 for out of town stuff and use my 40 year old diesel Peugeot to get into town thumbsup thumbsup
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whitehorse wrote:
...TFL. Their own figures show the number of cars within the zones has fallen by over 10% since introduction:


Thanks for pointing that out. So we all agree it works as a way of cutting traffic! Good to hear some policies are successful. Now, about air quality...

Do we all agree that something needs to be done about traffic, congestion and air quality?

If we do, and this isn't the answer, what is?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I can’t understand is why this is required
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We’ve had Euro this and euro that engined cars for years, why is air quality worse than it was 30 years ago when engines only didn’t smoke when they were turned off. Thirty years ago central London was gridlocked, more cars in our cities now, really?

Money making and worse, restrictions on freedom are my initial thoughts.


Because the Labour government massively encouraged Diesel engine cars in the UK as being the "cleaner" solution Floor......... when everyman and his dog knew that was not right Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live half a mile inside the A406 so will have to pay whether I drive 1 mile to see my Mum or 10 miles to work or half a mile to get onto the M11 to escape London.

I always get a tube to work and never drive the car for only a mile.

I have an Audi A3 that is compliant anyway

The charge will be a consideration for me and no doubt will restrict the number of days I drive my 993. When I do take it out, I will want to make it worth my while.

Might have to buy something V8 powered that is compliant to fill the gap.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The air quality in London fails Euro standards every day.
London has a higher population than it did 25 years ago.
There are more cars, which are stationary for longer.
You can see smog now.
In each car sits one person most of the time.
Driving in London,especially central London needs curtailing, big time.
City cars need to be made more economically viable.
The size of cars used nowadays is obscene.
And diesels over ten years old need killing.
The cr4p that pours out of them, take a look !
Sorry for the negativity.
The art and mechanical understanding involved in driving is dead. Technology killed it. Dumbed down cars that do everything and idiotic driving has killed all the fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuttgartmetal wrote:

You can see smog now.


You could see the smog very vividly 20 years ago if you worked in a tall building in Croydon. It is just much, much worse now; but it has been a problem for far longer than people have officially cared about it. Why did nobody care about it then : the pan-European fixation with eliminating CO2 emissions above all else pushed governments to set tax to encourage low CO2 vehicles - specifically diesels - and nobody stopped to consider the consequences of a massive increase in the amount of diesel exhausts on the breathable air in densely populated areas.

They were all too busy not saving the planet (as Europe doesn't actually produce a drastic proportion of global CO2 to begin with) to stop and consider saving the lungs of their own people. But it wasn't and isn't a purely UK issue - it is basically all of Western Europe. And while this was all going on, nobody stopped to consider that you couldn't sell diesel private cars to the Americans because they couldn't be made to pass the legacy of 1970s smog legislation. Until they tried fiddling the tests. And got caught. Then people noticed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is brilliant news for London as something has to be done and its fairly easy to make a change.

What's most important is TFL are phasing out their own smelly buses and the old black London cabs are being replaced by electric one's - seeing many more now on the streets.

I've checked and my 997 GT3, 1967 Alfa, TVR Chimaera and Mini cooper S are all fine but my smelly RR Sport isn't. This seems fair to me - I just wished they'd started it a decade ago but instead the Labour numpties (unbelievably!) promoted diesels!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2001 3.4 C4 is exempt... checked today...
 
  
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