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vroomvroom
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: 993 at auction Reply with quote

Might make a good buy for someone.....


Decent 993 manual, coupe, good colour

with £10k_ spent, including engine rebuild at Porsche


https://themarket.co.uk/listings/porsche/911/6cbd13cb-f5c0-493b-baf6-0dd86cfecc18?status=live&fbclid=IwAR2kmmBcQaUEbfYP53C9aagQgo7HoJv4yIskH_0tmMiXaSUMld3wZ8hlH7c
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...signs of visible rust in a number of areas thus one might expect to discover plenty more hidden...
 
  
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Will Statt
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..... they reckon it's oil cooled not aircooled too! Shows what they know! Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a cheap car when you consider what 70's & 80's Ford Escorts are fetching... Grin

It definitely needs some cash throwing at it. All lighting needs replacing/refreshing, rust on rear quarter and the mention of front too, however the big plus is a recent engine rebuild.
I'd go in with your eyes open and budget £10k for chassis legs, suspension refresh and cosmetics.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done its dough at low estimate = 28 bags.Hand

High mileage, absence of AC and visible rust in 'unusual' places suggest more investigation (work and cost) required.

Seems to be riding a bit high at the back and P-Zero tyres would not be a selling point for me - they're shiote Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok gents, thank you firstly for pointing out the potential lack of air con in the advert. I posted an enquiry but since I got no reply I reduced my highest bid down from £35k to £33.5k. I do however deep down think this was a good car but nothing is certain but who knows?

The car was bought at £33,750 by a N M C.

If be interested to see where he car ends up and what work has had to be done (if any). As previously said I’m not sure if I’ve bailed wisely or missed a bargain.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say you had a lucky escape Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...rust bucket...barge and pole came to my mind when I looked at the pictures...
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny, you either get an advert where there are not enogh pictures and the shout is ”hiding something" or you get an apparently honest advert like this, and it's a rust bucket that's done it's dough (though you can safely ignore the latter part of that critique as there has yet to be a 993 sold above £25k that hadn't done it's dough according to Lord Zingers, High Priest of The North).

I agree, will be interesting to see if this car surfaces with a dealer or honest to goodness end user!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Statt wrote:
..... they reckon it's oil cooled not aircooled too! Shows what they know! Smile


Actually, they are air and oil cooled. Thats one of the reasons for the oil coolers, dry sump and the oil being routed around the car.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mollytherocker wrote:
Will Statt wrote:
..... they reckon it's oil cooled not aircooled too! Shows what they know! Smile


Actually, they are air and oil cooled. Thats one of the reasons for the oil coolers, dry sump and the oil being routed around the car.

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Absolutely! and the large oil capacity Thumb
 
  
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Will Statt
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mollytherocker wrote:
Will Statt wrote:
..... they reckon it's oil cooled not aircooled too! Shows what they know! Smile


Actually, they are air and oil cooled. Thats one of the reasons for the oil coolers, dry sump and the oil being routed around the car.

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Well not really..... If you blanked the oil cooler off, then the engine would still run fine. If you blocked the fan off, you'd sieze up very quickly. The fan ducting system cools the fins of the barrels and the heads (the bits where the real heat is) the oil cooler just cools the oil (a little) which obviously does have a small cooling effect on the engine, but it's main purpose is the keep the oil 'in spec' when you're thrashing them!
(Hence why vw beetles and the like didn't need oil coolers!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with the dual cool argument. Even if no oil cooler is fitted the oil circulation dissipates localised heat build up
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endoman wrote:
I tend to agree with the dual cool argument. Even if no oil cooler is fitted the oil circulation dissipates localised heat build up


Well I suppose that's true.... but all oil lubricated engines do that, and we don't call them 'water and air cooled'

All I'm saying is that blown air is what cools the engine in a 993 as opposed to water in a 996 for example. Both engines cool their oil a bit because it aids the efficiency of high performance engines.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically it is air and oil, performance air cooled engines require well conditioned oil to be available to the pressure side of the oil pump in the sump, this means cooler non aerated oil can be pressurised and injected through major journals. Once up to appropriate temp the thermostat opens and oil is pumped to the front oil rad. A good check to ensure your thermostat is working is to feel your front O/S wing, it should get warm, if that doesn't happen you may have a stat issue.

When oil is returned from the engine to the oil tank it is de-foamed to remove the air from it, pumping aerated engine oil would be disastrous.

I'd assume the effect of the front oil cooler is more than slight as they've been used in the 911 for a long time, even the 912 I suspect?. You should check the condition of the oil fan resister, if you have not replaced it is likely shot and fan will not function correctly.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks good value.... 993 4S for £52k

Same price as the other silver CAT D one for sale.


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https://www.porscheclubgb.com/car-sales/sell-a-porsche/sellers/d5dba929-c830-4e68-aa87-fa91ab49f147/911-(993)-c4s-0
 



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised that’s still around, looks a great price.
 
  
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vroomvroom
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I contacted the seller, however, someone is having it inspected already.

As said above very sensibly priced compared to others.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Been in touch about this car. But looks like I might be one in a long queue. There is another silver 4s on Pistonheads for the same price but Cat D and 16 owners. Makes you wonder about the market and what that should be up at?

Is the PCGB one a cat car?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good to read technical debate on oil/air
 
  
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